June 24, 2026 · Labor And Employment · 20,138 words · 9 speakers · 224 segments
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Thank you. the CEQA exemptions passed through the Budget Act last year in SB 131. Last year, the legislature passed Senate Bill 131 through the budget process, which created over a dozen new CEQA exemptions. Many of these CEQA exemptions are sensible and promote needed development that doesn't harm the environment or jeopardize human health. However, the bill also created an unprecedented CEQA exemption for advanced manufacturing, which was broadly defined as well as neglecting to include protections for workers, habitat, and tribal resources. As you will recall, many elected members, including many on your committee here today, raised serious concerns about this policy when it was jammed through the legislature at the end of session. The bill passed on the condition that further changes would be taken to revisit the definition for advanced manufacturing and add stronger protections for habitat for sensitive species and for tribal resources. SB 954 follows through on those commitments. Speaking specifically to the labor piece, SB 954 adds critical protections for workers on advanced manufacturing sites seeking a CEQA exemption. Specifically, the bill requires skilled and trained workforce and prevailing wage for workers at advanced manufacturing facilities, including both construction and operation at these facilities. SB 954 also goes further with labor protections by requiring that project applicants meet high road employment standards, which includes good wages above the local or regional living standard, commitments to invest in employee training, incorporating worker voice, and requiring safe and healthy working conditions. As the committee analysis notes, high road employment standards are becoming the standard. These labor protections are rigorous, but they are rigorous for a reason. Advanced manufacturing, as defined in SB 954, includes very polluting and high-risk industries like semiconductors that have a history of harming the health of workers. A CEQA exemption for manufacturing of any kind is unprecedented, and so requiring that these manufacturing projects are labor leaders ensures that we are not sacrificing workers' rights to a safe environment in their workplace and in the communities where they live. SB 954 also adds environmental guardrails to the advanced manufacturing CEQA exemption, including requiring that CEQA be triggered for facilities near sensitive receptors or if facilities emit significant amounts of air pollution. Taken together, SB 954 meets the promise of cleanup on SB 131 and provides a path forward to streamline CEQA while retaining important protections for workers, the environment, and communities. With me as lead witnesses today, I have Elmer Lazardi from the Labor Federation and Gabriel
Tolson from the Planning and Conservation League. Good afternoon Chair members Elmer Lizardo with the California Federation of Labor Unions We represent over 2 million union workers in the state including thousands of skilled workers who build maintain operate and labor in manufacturing facilities in California Our unions, again, fully support expanding California's manufacturing base, but we must ensure that industry growth is accompanied with protections for workers, communities, and the environment. SB 131, with its broadly defined advanced manufacturing projects, eroded labor standards for workers, environmental safeguards, and public accountability in the process. And without any significant cleanup legislation, companies will continue to take advantage of the overly broad definition to skip over the public, environmental, and community review process to access building permits. This status quo allows companies to deprive workers, unions, and their communities of the opportunity to provide necessary input for large industrial projects that are cited in their own backyards. And as previously in the Natural Resources Committee, when their analysis outlined all the facilities that we're talking about, we have things like semiconductor facilities, fertilizer production, and rare earth mining. And as we've seen recently, we've seen instances like what happened at Garden Grove, where 50,000 residents near the GK and aerospace facility had to be evacuated because of the threat of an imminent catastrophic explosion. And we're just incredibly lucky that we were able to avert a disaster, but these are the types of facilities that we're talking about. Workers are the first line of exposure to the dangers in these facilities that can cause injury or death, and building any large-scale industrial facilities without the safeguards that are traditionally required under CEQA increases exposure to unsafe conditions, compromises safety, and removes oversight mechanisms that ensure that projects are built correctly the first time. With this in mind, we support SB 954. We want to thank Senator Blakesby for her leadership here. This is a great step towards establishing state oversight over these projects, while also prioritizing labor standards that allow for growth in the state's economy, while investing in safe middle-class jobs for the workers that are actually propelling that growth. Thank you, and we respectfully ask for an aye vote.
Good afternoon, Chair and members of the committee. My name is Gabriel Tolson, and I'm here in support of SB 954 on behalf of the Planning and Conservation League.
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This bill represents a full year of advocacy by more than 200 environmental justice, public health, conservation, and labor organizations, along with commitments from more than 30 legislators to fix the, quote, advanced manufacturing CEQA exemption enacted under SB 131 last year. That exemption applied to more than 80 categories of industrial projects, many of which use and might release chemicals that can cause cancer, birth defects, and other health problems, even when the facilities are located near homes, schools, daycare centers, or hospitals. Never before had the legislature allowed such hazardous land uses to bypass requirements for transparency, community safety, and habitat protection. The importance of these protections continues to be demonstrated by recent emergencies in Southern California. In late May of this year, as Elmer mentioned, explosion risks at the Garden Grove GKN Aerospace Facility, which was built before CEQA, forced the evacuation of more than 50,000 residents. Around the same time, a fire at a tighter recycling facility in Southgate sent thick black smoke into surrounding communities and prompted a shelter-in-place order. That incident occurred only a few miles south of the former Exide Battery Recycling Facility, which emitted toxic lead pollution into nearby neighborhoods for decades and has already cost the public more than $770 million in cleanup expenses. For more than 50 years, CEQA has allowed community members and workers to participate in planning decisions when facilities like these are proposed. Mitigation measures secured through CEQA have often included the installation of air filters in surrounding homes and schools, the replacement of hazardous chemicals with safer alternatives, training and resources for local emergency services, response departments and conservation of habitat for sensitive species. These protections must be restored for projects like GKN Aerospace, Exide, and the other hazardous project types exempted under SB 131. I thank you for your time and respectfully urge your aye vote today on SB 954. Thank you.
Do we have additional witnesses in support?
members Jacob Evans with Sierra California and support from Mended to strengthen the guardrails in the bill and also registering the same position for the Western Center on law and poverty Green Foothills and Californians against waste thank you good afternoon Christine is Grange with the Center for biological diversity and strong support thank
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Linda Way with Western Center on Law and Poverty, support if amended. Katie Valenzuela on behalf of Communities for a Better Environment, Clean Water Action, California Nurses for Environmental Health and Justice, Center for Environmental Health and PSIRA in the support if amended.
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Mariela Aracho, Leadership Council for Justice and Accountability in support.
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Vanessa Flores on behalf of Clean and Healthy California in support. Marquis King-Meso, Natural Resources Defense Council, support if amended. Thank you for your leadership. Hi Marie Lu on behalf of CEHA, Mothers Out Front in Silicon Valley, Endangered Habitat leads and the Environmental Action Committee of West Marin in support if amended. Thank you. Judy Yee, State Building and Construction Chase Council in support. Thank you. Chloe Shea on behalf of California Environmental Voters in support, also expressing support for Environmental Action Committee of West Marin, Indivisible Santa Cruz County, California Coastal Protection Network, in support of amended positions for Center for Biological Diversity, Center on Race, Poverty, and the Environment. Thank you. Good afternoon. Mitch Steiger with CFT, a union of educators and classified professionals, also in support. Hello. Ada Welder with Earth Justice here in support. Frankie Gracie on behalf of the Blue Green Alliance in support. Sam Appel on behalf of UAW Region 6 in support. Hi, Natalie Brown on behalf of Defenders of Wildlife, the Sonoma Land Trust, Environmental Defense Fund, Pacific Forest Trust, and the Nature Conservancy in support. Also voicing a support if amended position on behalf of Restore the Delta, Resource Renewal Institute, the Environmental Protection Information Center, and the San Francisco Baykeeper. Thank you so much. Hi, I'm Junie Bedain, UAW 4811 member in support. Thank you. I'm Ernest Walker, an organizer with UAW 4011. I'm in support. I'm Teresa Nguyen, a member of UAW 4811 in support. Good afternoon, Chair members. J.P. Hanna on behalf of the California Nurses Association in support.
Thank you. Do we have any main witnesses in opposition?
Sorry, Madam Chair and members, Connor Gusman, behalf of Teamsters, California, and unite here in support. Sorry for being late. Good afternoon. I'm Andrea Lynch on behalf of the California Chamber of Commerce and respectful opposition to SB 954. We appreciate Senator Blake Spears' continued efforts to clean up this bill, and we have no objection to the public works portion. However, there are still critical concerns. Our concerns are with the private entity piece specifically the skilled and trained workforce mandate and the labor peace agreement requirement The skilled and trained workforce provisions for private manufacturers applies to every contractor and subcontractor at every tier and carries steep penalties including per month for a missed report and $2,000 per day per worker for non-compliance. These are costly compliance burdens layered onto a private manufacturer simply trying to use a CEQA exemption to build a facility. To our knowledge, the labor peace agreement provision that conditions an environmental exemption on an agreement would be unprecedented in CEQA law. A labor peace agreement requires an employer to remain neutral in any union organizing effort, often before a single worker has been hired or a project has broken ground. Consider a manufacturer evaluating where to locate a new facility. If California requires a labor peace agreement just to access this exemption and a competing state does not, that's a real factor in site selection decision. Their agreement would be required before the facility is ever built or a single job is created, and California risk losing the very investment this exemption is designed to attract. California has already lost 600,000 manufacturing jobs since 2000, nearly 36% of the entire sector. CEQA is an environmental review statute. It was never intended to be a vehicle for extracting labor peace agreements that have nothing to do with environmental impact. For these and other reasons, we respectfully oppose SB 954. Excuse me. Good afternoon, Chair and members of the committee. My name is Luis Morante on behalf of the Bay Area Council. The Bay Area Council represents about 400 of the largest employers in the region. We're the first business group in California to back AB 32 because we believe California should lead the world in building a clean economy. But we worry California is becoming a cautionary tale of what not to do. California has some of the cleanest electricity, the toughest efficiency standards, and the cleanest fuels in the country. If this bill wants to maximize global environmental impact and local job benefits of advanced manufacturing, we should be keeping that manufacturing here under our standards. But this bill functionally repeals the CEQA exemption, encouraging that to happen. As written, SB 954 goes beyond cleanup. Its new land use requirements, certification process, labor requirements make the bill more difficult in many cases than actually just going through the CEQA process. Some of these requirements in the bill, such as the LEED certification, are impossible to perform during permitting because LEED certification happens after construction. We're not opposed to environmental guardrails. We are opposed to requirements that are impossible to meet and that drive away the projects, jobs, and climate benefits that we should be competing for. Consider Anthro Energy, a Bay Area battery company. California awarded Anthro more than $5 million through the Energy Commission. But last December, Anthro announced their first large-scale factory, not here but in Louisville, Kentucky, where roughly two-thirds of the electricity still comes from burning coal. That's largely because they figured that building in California was too hard, again, largely because of CEQA. That company's carbon footprint didn't shrink because it moved out of the state. It grew, but it was out of sight and off our books, and that's just not a strategy for fighting climate change. For these reasons, we must respectfully oppose SB 954. Thank you.
Thank you. Do we have additional winners in opposition?
Paul Schaefer with the California Council for Affordable Housing and respectful opposition. Thank you. Afternoon, Madam Chair. Chris McKaylee here on behalf of the Los Angeles Area Chamber of Commerce and respectful opposition. Thank you. Elizabeth Esquivel with the California Manufacturers and Technology Association also in opposition Catherine Charles on behalf of the Housing Action Coalition in opposition Thank you Good afternoon Madam Chair and members Raymond Contreras with Lighthouse Public Affairs on behalf of Abundant Housing, Los Angeles, SPUR, Circulate Planning and Policy, Student Homes Coalition, and California in opposition. Thank you. Hi, Jenny Aguilar on behalf of California Business Properties Association, NAOP California and California Business Roundtable in opposition. Thank you. Good afternoon. Jacob Brim with the California Retailers Association in respectful opposition.
Seeing no other witnesses in opposition, I'll turn it over to the dais for any questions from members.
Assemblymember Ward.
Thank you. I want to thank you, Senator, for bringing this forward. I know that there was time I'm in the club of a lot of members that were concerned about some of the quick Quick brush to judgment on SB 131 and the need for trying to be able to get this right and that conversations that you're having I think through the Labor Committee perspective to be able to make sure that we're working on standards here So while correcting some of the issues on 131 that we're also Using this moment to be able to dress that is exactly what you're bringing forward in 954 So really proud for the work that's gone into this I think that there's an opportunity to continue while I know that there's not Maybe incorrect arguments that some of those that you know really understand our housing economics are raising I think some of those can continue to be worked on as this bill moves forward to every extent possible And I want to be able to support it today and happy to move the item
Resource subcommittee. No, we're still in our subcommittee. Okay. We'll move it when we have a quorum. Thank you
Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Senator for your leadership on this and for everyone that's been involved in ensuring that the promises that were made at the end of session last year, that were actually staying true to them. I also want to thank Samar Connolly. I know that he worked a lot on our side and has been in partnership with Senator Blakespeare to ensure that we have guardrails and environmental protections that supplement what was done last year, I guess you can say. And look, ultimately, California is still the nation's economic engine. It still leads the nation in the number of manufacturing companies and jobs, but we're not going to enter a downward spiral on environmental quality or job quality in order to win a race that ends up with our residents and our workers losing. So I think that this allows for us to take advantage of truly innovative advanced manufacturing opportunities through grants that are being presented from the federal government as well as our own incentives that we provide as a state. but do it in a way that we don't have such expansive CEQA exemptions that render it moot when it comes to the manufacturing, especially of whether it's mining or other types of manufacturing that certainly I don't think anyone would consider as part of advanced manufacturing. So I would certainly do a quorum right now. So, yeah, I'll join with the Senate award when we have a quorum here to also move or second this and would like to be added as a co-author. Thank you.
Thank you. I apologize for that. But, yes, we do have quorums, so we can establish that. Please, Secretary, please call the roll. Ortega.
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Ortega here. Alanis.
Chen. El-Hawari. Aki. El Aki Kalra Here We have quorum Thank you We have a motion and a second
Any additional comments?
Before I ask you to close, Senator, I would like to echo those comments of my colleagues. I want to thank you for bringing this bill forward today. I was one of those members who was very vocal during the budget process. So I'm glad to see that we're actually doing something about it and we're delivering on what we said we were going to do when this kind of all took us by surprise. And I voted on the budget with the understanding that we would come back and fix some of these issues. So I am grateful that you are moving in that direction, which is why you have my high recommendation today.
And with that, would you like to close?
Yes, thank you. Thank you for that support, Chair. I want to thank my colleagues, many of whom have been working on this policy. Recognizing the difficulties of doing cleanup is the challenge. You know, when it's easy to say at the end of session when you're doing things quickly, you'll do cleanup. But then actually negotiating it through to a successful finish line is challenging, but we are continuing to work on it. I want to also recognize Assemblymember Connolly. His AB 1083 engaged many members of the assembly on this same topic, and good progress was made. I also want to acknowledge the opposition because they raise valid concerns, and we will continue to work with them and be in dialogue to make sure that we are able to do the best we can to thread the needle around promoting manufacturing in California that also provides good jobs. and also protects communities from environmental degradation. So staying true to those two North Stars is something that's really important, but we'll continue to be in close dialogue with them to see if we can work out something that works for all. So with that, I respectfully ask for your aye vote.
Thank you. Secretary, please call the roll. File item number two, SB 954, Blakespeare. Motion is due pass and re-refer to Committee on Appropriations. Ortega?
Aye.
Ortega, aye. Alanis?
Chen? El Huwari? Aye.
El Huwari, aye. Kalra?
Aye.
Kalra, aye. Lee?
Aye.
Lee, aye. Ward?
Aye.
Ward, aye. 5-0. We will leave the roll open for absent members. Next up, we have, I saw this, Senator Gonzalez here.
Item number 3, SB 966. Of course.
I'm going to grab the witnesses. Excuse me, Madam Chair. They're here somewhere.
No worries. Whenever you're ready. Okay. Well, I'll go ahead and get started. Oh, go ahead, please.
If we can move the consent calendar.
Great. Thank you. File item number one, SB 845 Perez. File item number four, SB 1012, Smallwood Cuevas. File item number seven, SB 1024, Menjafar. File item number 10, SB 1227, Dorosso. Motion is due, passed, and re-referred to Committee on Appropriations. Ortega?
Aye.
Ortega, aye. Alanis Chen a whole worry a whole worry I color color I Lee Lee I work work I consent calendar is five zero we We'll leave the roll open perhaps in members. Thank you for being here. All right. Thank you. And good afternoon, Madam Chair and members.
I'm here to present Senate Bill 966, which will codify critical safety standards and protect refinery workers from rollback regulations. In 2012, a fire at the Chevron refinery in Richmond endangered 19 workers and resulted in 15,000 residents seeking medical care. an investigation actually found the disaster could have been prevented if the refinery had acted on worker safety concerns. In response to disasters like this, OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board, adopted updated process safety management regulations in 2017 with strengthened worker protections, including the right to select their own representatives to participate in safety proceedings at refineries, report hazards anonymously, access safety information, and initiate stop work procedures. Now under pressure from refineries, new regulations have been proposed that will weaken these hard-won protections. Refinery workers are on the front lines of hazardous conditions and have direct experience in process safety management. They deserve a seat at the table. And 966 makes that right permanent by codifying the existing worker representation and participation standards from the 2017 regulations safeguarding these essential protections from regulatory rollback and industry pressures. Testifying in support today, I have Norman Rogers from the United Steelworkers Local 675,
as well as Lori Wallace, former employee at the Phillips 66 Refinery in Los Angeles.
I respectfully ask for an aye vote, Madam Chair.
Good afternoon, and thank you for the opportunity to speak. it can't be stressed enough that the regulations that we won in 2017 were a group effort between ourselves as the United Steelworkers, the building trades, the Blue Green Alliance, Communities for a Better Environment. All of us came together after what happened in 2012. And what happened in 2012, big accident, 15,000 people seeking help, but in particular, There was knowledge that the company held that they had thinning pipe. There were recommendations that had been made within the company to replace that existing pipe. Some of it did get replaced. The crucial piece that caused the incident did not get replaced. But there had been years and years of notice. But all that information was held by the company. They knew it, but nobody else did. And when it became apparent, it was the day of the release, and it was the day that all those folks were impacted. All that came out in the investigation that was done by CSB. So that started a five-year push for us to get this language. We have lived with it since 2017. In 2019, there was a lawsuit filed. COVID hit, and so cases were put on hold, and that delayed the final outcome where the state settled with WSPA. but we have lived with that and we still currently live with those regulations and we would ask that we're allowed to keep them because they've been very important and very helpful.
Hi, I'm Lori Wallace again. Thank you. And thank you for giving me the time to share with you. As a worker that was recently laid off with Phillips 66, I can tell you that with 20 years of expertise when I looking at a piece of equipment and knowing that we going to have to do maintenance on it I should be in the room to talk I should be able to tell them if there are things about that piece of equipment that they don know and only I know because I been working on it for 20 years When you remove my ability to speak and say things that I think might be a safety hazard as an employee in situations like this is when you cause the bigger hazards. Everything that we do is not only to protect ourselves, but it's to protect the communities. And taking away our voice is actually going to hurt not only the communities, but us. I know from experience in working with equipment that because I was in the room in certain situations, I was able to raise concerns that the upper management didn't know or wasn't aware of because they aren't the ones working on the equipment every day. So I am asking that you understand how important it is for everybody to have a voice for the safety of the community and the employees. And I also ask that you give us an eye on this. Thank you.
Do we have additional witnesses and support?
Hello, Katie Valenzuela on behalf of Communities for a Better Environment and Support. Thank you. Frankie Gracie with the Blue Green Alliance in support. Julia Sebastian with California Labor for Climate Jobs in support. Mitch Steiger with CFT in support. Christina Scaringer, the Center for Biological Diversity in support. Shea B. Hannah on behalf of the California Nurses Association in support. Thank you.
Seeing no other witnesses in support, do we have a main witness in opposition?
Good afternoon, Madam Chair and members. Zach Leary on behalf of the Western States Petroleum Association. I want to urge extreme caution as you examine this bill. As you know, we've worked extremely close with the Newsom Administration, with the California Energy Commission, Commission with a number of stakeholders that regulate our industry, including the legislature, on stabilizing oil refineries and the fuel market that you have in California, and I think that remains a priority. Unfortunately, it's this type of regulatory and legislative whiplash that creates a business environment that is very difficult to operate in. As it pertains to the lawsuit and the DIR regulations. We did ultimately sue over the DIR final regulations in 2019, and we sued in federal court because we believe parts of the provisions were preempted by the National Labor Relations Act. Ultimately, in 2024, after careful negotiations with the Department of Justice, EPA, Cal OSHA, DIR Standards Board, we ultimately came to a settlement agreement to address this very issue because we believed at that time that that regulation was preempted by the National Labor Relations Act. Fast forward now to this bill, it would reinstate that very provision that we believe was preempted. So whether it's a regulation or statute, we believe it could potentially be preempted by the federal law and therefore we could end up in this very same situation So for those reasons we are in strong opposition to SB 966 We think it these types of regulatory and legislative whiplash that create that difficult business environment to operate in. Thank you. Do we have additional witnesses in opposition?
Seeing none, I'll turn it over to the Dias for any member comments, questions. We have a motion and a second. Senator, would you like to close?
Yeah, I want to thank my witnesses for being here. They're actually on the ground, have been working in refineries, and I just really appreciate their testimony because they're the ones that actually know the health and safety concerns at our refineries. And while I respect the opposition, the federal preemption issue is just opinion at this point. No court has actually ruled that there's been a federal preemption. And so with that, I will continue to say that, you know, at our refineries, we need to make sure that there is employee participation and that there is worker participation so we can prevent disasters from happening. With that, I respectfully ask for an aye vote.
Thank you. And you have an aye recommendation from myself. Secretary, please call the roll. Final item number three, SB 966, Gonzalez. Motion is due, pass, and re-refer to Committee on Appropriations. Ortega?
Aye.
Ortega, aye. Alanis, Chen, Elhawari, Kalra, Kalra, aye. Lee, aye. Lee, aye. Ward. That measure is 3-0. We will leave the roll open for absent members. Thank you. Thank you. I will see no other senators here. I will make a call to the following senators. Senators Smallwood Cuevas, Cabaldon, Reyes, Araguin. If you can please make your way to the Labor and Employment Committee. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Thank you Welcome Senator Yes, we've been waiting for you. Item number five and six, SB 1203 and 1284, whenever you are ready.
Thank you so much, Madam Chair and members. Good afternoon. I am proud to present SB 1203. This is the Stand for Security Act. And this bill seeks to modernize training standards, strengthen accountability, and establish a clear professional pathway for private security guards across California. I want to reaffirm my commitment to take the future amendments that would require BSIS to conduct a regional training capacity analysis to identify and ensure that qualified third-party organizations are ready to provide de-escalation training. to delay the employer's prohibition from providing the de-escalation training requirements for two years and remove the exemption of the church, mosque, or other place of worship private security officers' training requirement under SB 1203. At the outset, it is important to understand the scale and the evolution of this workforce. There are approximately 1.2 million security guards in the country, making the private security industry, and I want you all to be clear and understand this, the third largest industry in the United States. There are 330,000 licensed security officers, and they protect apartment buildings, hospitals, transit systems, retail centers, schools, offices, entertainment venues, and neighborhoods across the state. They outnumber our sworn force of police officers three to one. So when there is an emergency, the first person who is going to respond more than likely is going to be a security officer. They are expected to de-escalate and assess risk and to protect the public often before our first responders. And increasingly, these workers are not simply protecting property. And we know the mental health crisis that we have in California and how we're trying to get ahead of it. But these workers face it every single day. They also face substance abuse emergencies. They are also dealing with our homeless population and some of that instability, trauma and violence, unpredictable confrontations. And across the nation, security officers are increasingly being assaulted, injured and even killed on the job. According to federal workforce fatality data and industry reporting, security guards face workplace violence rates significantly higher than many occupations because they routinely interact with unstable and hostile individuals. often alone, often unarmed, and often, as we are here today, without the training infrastructure that we must provide to ensure public safety. And yet, under current law, they receive just eight hours of initial training with 32 hours thereafter. Oftentimes this training is performed on the job. And what that means is just as you're here hearing this hearing today, if you were a security officer, you might have a laptop in front of you where you're doing your training module and also conducting this hearing. And so that is an unacceptable reality. This is a $34 billion industry. The average worker earns roughly $38,000 per year, and we know that places them right at and below our poverty level here in California. We are simply asking workers who are earning poverty-level wages to manage some of the most volatile public situations in the state. And our question is, is that fair? Is that fair to the workers? Earlier this year, millions of Americans watched a viral video, and this was something that disturbed me profoundly, of a distressed black homeless woman being punched in the face by a security officer during a confrontation. At the same time, we know of security officers who were told by management to go deal with a theft, which resulted in one of the workers being injured and stabbed and then was later terminated. And we'll hear more about that situation. So these are moments that are happening as we are not ensuring that these workers are adequately trained to be able to do the job that we demand and expect them to do. From a policy perspective, when we underinvest in training and advancement in a workforce like this, we risk reinforcing patterns of occupational segregation and limited mobility. And why do I say that? Because these workers are largely black and brown young men. And why shouldn't we be investing in their upskilling? Why can't this be a feeder into other career opportunities and first response? Much of it is because the industry is standing in the way of that opportunity. We want to use black and brown bodies to protect these buildings, but we don't want to make sure that black and brown men and women are trained. So SB 1203 takes practical steps forward. This builds strength and security skills training by requiring eight hours of specific de-escalation instruction. It reviews wages and working conditions. It holds employers accountable through stronger reporting and enforcement, and it confronts implicit bias and racial profiling in the field. This bill is not about adding burden. It's about aligning standards with reality. And with me today, proud to have, is Dr. Enrique Lopez-Lira, director of the Low-Wage Work Program at UC Berkeley Center for Labor Studies,
and Earl Hayes, a security officer in a major health care facility here in Sacramento, and a former law enforcement officer. We also have Tiffany Crane for technical assistance with SEIU if we need her. Good afternoon, Chair Ortega and members of the committee. My name is Earl Hayes. I live in Folsom, and I work as an armed security officer in a hospital here in Sacramento. I've been a security officer for nearly three years, and before that I spent 15 years with the San Francisco Sheriff's Department. I want to address the misconception about private security work. Many people think it's simply observe and report, but that's not the reality. Security officers are often the first people to respond when someone is trespassing acting disruptively or showing signs that they may harm themselves or others Our job is frequently to interview early and de situations before they become crisis and before law enforcement needs to be called One thing I noticed when I started security work is that the basic training required to obtain a guard card does not include meaningful de-escalation training. There is no requirement to demonstrate de-escalation skills through role-playing or exercise, even though communication is one of the most important tools a security officer has. I was fortunate to come to this work with years of experience in law enforcement. Working in the jails taught me how to approach people calmly, listen, assess situations, and help diffuse tensions before they escalate. In many cases, when people become angry or upset, they will tell you what they need if you take the time and approach the situation professionally. Those skills can make all the difference. A security officer can either worsen the situation or help make it better. But not every officer has the benefit of years of law enforcement experience, and many newer, inexperienced officers are expected to handle volatile situations without the training they need. At the hospital where I work, especially around the emergency department, emotions run high and tensions can escalate quickly. That's why de-escalation skills are essential. Security officers need training that prepares them to manage these situations safely, professionally, and effectively. That's why I'm urging you to support SB 1203. It recognizes the realities of security work and provides the training officers need to handle difficult encounters safely. By making sure that security officers receive meaningful de-escalation training, SB 1203 will help prevent conflicts from getting worse, improve safety for the public and workers, and better prepare officers for the responsibilities they face every day. I respectfully ask you to vote yes on SB 1203. Thank you for your time. Good afternoon, Chair Ortega. Members of the committee. I'm Enrique Lopez-Lera, director of the Low-Wage Work Program at the UC Berkeley Labor Center. I'm here to share what our research and the broader literature finds on the conditions the bill addresses. Two of the findings mentioned in the bill are testable empirical claims that higher wages help retain an experienced workforce and that descriptive de-escalation training that doesn't require practice is less effective. Our data and the research literature speak to both. California security guards earn a median of about $20 an hour, against $28 for the typical California worker, and roughly 80% earned below a living wage. This is an offset by benefits. Four and five work full-time, yet only about half have an employer or union health coverage. These are the conditions associated with turnover above 100% in this industry. Because this is a public safety workforce, that turnover means the guard at a hospital or transit station is disproportionately likely to be new to the post. Guards are increasingly first responders to mental health and behavioral crises. A common complaint that we hear is that much of their training is passive recall in nature, and the research helps explain why that format has limits. The escalation is a behavioral scale performed under acute stress, which the evidence suggests is built through in-person practice and role play rather than passive recall. The strongest evidence comes from adjacent fields. In healthcare, systematic reviews of of workplace violence prevention find that the effective programs are hands-on and scenario-based rather than the lecture or video-based. In policing, rigorous studies, including randomized control trials in Louisville and Tempe, find that well-designed de-escalation training measurably changes officer behavior in volatile encounters, with some studies showing reductions in injuries. The consistent finding across both fields is that the delivery mode matters. How training is secured effects whether scales transfer. The bill's provisions specifying live in-person evidence-based de-escalation training track that body of evidence. California offers a relevant natural experiment on the wage question After the San Francisco airport adopted a living wage for screeners turnover flow sharply and service quality improved Thank you Thanks.
Thank you. Do we have additional witnesses in support?
Gustavo Garcia, Martinez, California, security guard, 16 years. And I support this bill. Gilberto Rubio, five years in the security industry, and I approve SB 1203. Latasha Reed, 17 years security officer, and I support SB 1203. My name is Miguel De Sissamagal, security officer. I support SB 1203. Thank you. Ariel Park, a security officer in San Francisco, and I strongly support SB 1203. My name is Jerry Longoria. I've been a security officer for 25 years. I support this bill, SB 1203. Thank you. My name is Security Officer Keevan Adams. I've been a security officer for 36 years, and I'm definitely in total support of this bill. How you doing? My name is James Lyons, security officer for 26 years, Los Angeles, California, and I support SB 1203. Hi, my name is Daniel Work, custodial at Disneyland, and I'm in support of SB 1203. Betsy Ramirez, security officer for six years, and I support SB 1203. Malik Aaron, security officer in support of SB 1203. My name is Akiba Carter and I'm supportive SB 1203. I've been in security office for 40 years. Buenas tardes. Mi nombre es Araceli Rueda en apoyo a SB 1203. Buenas tardes. Mi nombre es Ana Mesa en apoyo a la SB 1203. My name is Miguel Lopez with USWW and I also support SB 1203. Hi, good afternoon. Thank you for having us. I support SB 1203. Thank you. Buenas tardes. Mi nombre es María Ortiz. Yo doy support al SB 1203, porque lo necesitamos también nosotros como trabajadores de limpieza. I'm Sebastian Avalos Tissol and I'm a security officer and for sure I support SB123. Good afternoon. My name is Beatriz Sandoval. I support my sisters and brothers for the new class. Thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Esther Sandoval. I am a baby matron with Disney. I also am in support of SB 1203 Good afternoon I Wayman Fathory 21 years in Los Angeles and I wholeheartedly support SB 1203 Good afternoon. My name is Tina Kramer. I'm Disneyland Dispatch Custodial, and I support SB 1203. Good afternoon. My name is Hector Ojeda. I work for Disney in the Entertainment Department, and I support SB 1203. Good afternoon. My name is Allison Huber. I've been in security for 15 years. I'm definitely in support of SB 1203. Good afternoon. My name is Alexander Nunez, based out of Los Angeles, California. I've been a security officer for about three years now, and I am in support of SB 1203. My name is Larry Taylor, I've been security officer for more than 15 years and I definitely support Senator Cuevas' bill SB 1203. Gracias. Good afternoon. My name is Julio Ramirez. I support SB 1203. Hi, my name is Eugene Margo III. I'm from San Diego, California. I've been in security for a year and a half. I fully support SB 1203. Thank you. Hello, this is Alma Chavez. I've been in security for over 15 years and I'm in support of the SB 1203. the 12-3. My name is Sonia Diaz and I'm in support of SB 1203. Thank you. My name is Anthony Guzman and I support SB 1203. Good afternoon, my name is Halliard Freider. I'm a security guard representing my site in San Francisco, California. I support SB 1203. Good afternoon, my name is Alfredo LaHood. I am working as a janitor in Oakland, California. I'm here in supporting the SB 1203. Thank you very much. Hi, my name is Eric and I support SB 1203. Thank you. My name is Warren Reed. I'm a security officer in Los Angeles and I support SB 1203. Thank you gentlemen and women. I'm David Moran, United States Marine Veteran. I support SB 1203. Thank you. My name is Leon Jenkins, security guard for 21 years. I support this bill. Buenas tardes. Mi nombre es Guadalupe Anguiano. Vengo de Los Angeles. Y vengo a pedirles el apoyo para la SB203. Gracias. Good afternoon. My name is Jeronimo Mondragon. I support SB023. Hello, my name is Sarah Bakari, union organizer at SEIU, USWW, and I'm in support of 1203. Hi, my name, can you hear me? Awesome. My name is Jennifer Dyer. I am lead rep for the security division, and I support SB 1203. Thank you. Hi, everyone. My name is Dionne Victoria, and I'm at SEIU, USWW as an organizer, and I support SB 1203. Hi, good afternoon. My name is Destiny Ojeda, armed guard for eight years. I'm in San Diego and I support SB 1203. Good evening. My name is Gregory Armijo, Security Guard, Sacramento, for seven and a half years. I support SB 1203. Buenas tardes. Mi nombre es Pilar Torres y estamos aquí para apoyar a la ley SB 1203. Gracias. Hello, my name is Pedro de los Santos. I come from Los Angeles. I'm a janitorial and I'm here to support SB 1203. I'm Cristian Ramirez, proud Vice President of SEIU-USW in support of SB 1203. Madam Chair and members, Tiffany White with SEIU California, sponsors of the bill in strong support. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Chair and members. Elmer Lizardo with the California Federation of Labor Unions in support.
Hi, my name is Alejandro Yo, a union member and licensed security officer representing myself in spite of my current physical condition. I feel from Los Angeles this morning to simply express my support for SB 1203. Senator, staff, thank you for your efforts.
Thank you. Thank you. Do we have any main witnesses in opposition?
Chair and members, Kelly Jensen representing Cal Saga. We appreciate the author indicating that she is taking some amendments to the bill. We have not seen those yet, so we have to speak to the bill in chief today. And to that point, while we support the sentiment and continued need to ensure security officers are well trained, SB 1203 will immediately make it more expensive and more difficult to employ security guards, resulting in an even greater shortage and delayed employment of the exact individuals necessary to provide protection to California citizens and visitors especially in the light of the upcoming worldwide events coming to California SB 1203 will eliminate jobs making companies that seek to automate security functions more competitive, thereby displacing the very people this bill intends to help. SB 1203's wage pressure on current lawful operators and those on the fringe will no doubt amplify the incentive to bring in less ethical providers to skip licensing requirements altogether. Most notably and squarely in this committee's jurisdiction is the reconstitution of the Industrial Welfare Commission. The IWC, as you know, has been idled since 2006. The bill directs the commission to promulgate a new wage by June 30, 2028. And I call your attention to that day because it's 17 days before the Olympics starts. While the city of Los Angeles has pulled back on their so-called Olympic wage, this bill continues down that path, even though the host city has realized that a minimum wage increase prior to the Olympics would be harmful to the success of that event. I urge the committee to at least delay that provision until after the Olympics so the companies are not in a situation of having to anticipate what that wage is going to be to build into their contracts or be left underfunded. The industry estimates that it will have to hire some 15,000 to 20,000 security guards to meet that demand. Thank you. We ask that you hold the bill on committee. Thank you.
Thank you.
Good afternoon, Chair and members. Jennifer Rowe with Capital Advocacy here today on behalf of Allied Universal, a security company in strong opposition to SB 1203. While we applaud California's nation-leading training requirements, this legislation goes much further than is reasonable and introduces several critical problems. First, the bill will impose a staggering $1 to $2 billion annual financial burden on our industry and California's economy. Significantly, increasing training mandates and reconstituting the industrial welfare commission to issue a new wage order will drastically escalate expenses. Consequently, struggling retail businesses and local governments will be forced to eliminate human security jobs, replacing them with cameras, fences, and AI. The bill creates a massive recruitment bottleneck and unfair liability for employers like us. It prohibits licensed security companies from conducting their own required de-escalation training, mandating specific third-party organizations instead. With over 350,000 security guards in the state, it's unclear if enough approved third-party organizations exist to handle this volume. volume despite lacking control over third party availability employers like us also face a disproportionate $10,000 fine if they fail to ensure the training occurs so for this reason we are strongly opposed thank you thank you do we have additional witnesses in opposition. Madam chair members poly on behalf of the current county board super
I want to make sure the author knows I will make sure they review the amendments.
Good afternoon Andrea Lynch on behalf of the California Chamber of Commerce in opposition. Seeing no other comments and oh yeah okay Hi Jenny Aguilar on behalf of the California Business Properties Association and Boma California in opposition Thank you Thank you
Seeing no other comments in opposition, I will now turn it over to members on the dais, Assemblymember Calra and Lee.
Thank you, Madam Chair. I'd like to make a motion. Thank you, Senator, for bringing this forward. I really want to thank everyone that came here from every corner of the state, including friends from San Jose that are here. I've had a great pleasure of being able to work with some of our security officers in Silicon Valley, obviously the most expensive housing market in the nation. And I think ensuring that, especially in this moment of time, with a lot of the angst that's been happening in our society, having appropriate training, de-escalation training is critically important. And ensuring that our security officers are as best trained as possible. As mentioned, there's far more security officers than police officers. Security officers are the ones that keep us safe. and it just comes, it brings to mind several years ago when with our friend David Huerta and with Jesse Jackson, we took thousands of petitions to the management of Apple and they brought them in-house, partly because we wanted to make sure our security officers had some semblance of security themselves when it comes to taking care of themselves and their families as they were protecting one of the most important companies in our region, if not the world, certainly at that time. And so I mention all that because the manner in which you come together and organize and show up matters. Being here does matter. But more importantly, I think this legislation is really important during these times to ensure that you have the best training possible because I know you all take your jobs very, very seriously. Many of you have been doing it for many, many, many years and obviously wouldn't still be employed if you weren't doing that job well and taking it seriously or contracted with so many companies that drive our economy, you know, from Silicon Valley to L.A. to San Diego and here in this region and everywhere else in this state. So thank you for showing up. I'll certainly proudly vote eye on this and would like to be added as a co-author. I want to thank the author for bringing the bills forward. You know, I have a lot of friends who actually do also work as private security guards, and only recently some of them are joining unions' efforts and finally getting health care for the first time. I think it is pretty wild to the general public to think that so many security guards that they see at places of tourism, health care settings, or just properties at night when there's fences there, those people don't really get adequate training, much less adequate compensation. And at best, some of those jobs are very isolating, especially to those folks who work the night shifts. Those can be quite isolating, lonely times. And at worst, you know, you can have some confrontations that happen, right? And luckily, my friends are smooth talkers. They're good talkers of people and they've encountered conversations or situations. They've talked people down, but, you know, it's not their job to get in between someone really and doing a lot of things, but it's also, you know, a lot of them don't have a lot of training, don't have those same innate skills all the time. And I think it is quite, I think the general public would be quite alarmed to know how pervasive this industry is and yet how little training people get and how also little compensation they get. So I think it's a very reasonable bill. I think you took a lot of amendments today that make it a very implementable bill in the long run as well It gives a couple years for different things And I think it just a very very reasonable bill and I think it very common sense I love to be added as a co and join your effort on this and I'm proudly supporting the bill today as well. Thank you.
Seeing no other comments from members, I would like to make my own. Just want to thank the author. And I want to thank all the workers for keeping us safe across the state, from San Diego to Reading and everywhere in between, including the happiest place on earth. It's making sure that you have the training and the compensation to go with the work that you do every day. It's the least we can do. And so you have my full support. Muchas gracias a todos que han venido hoy. De muy lejos y muy temprano. With that, this bill has an eye recommendation. Senator, would you like to close?
I want to say thank you so much, Madam Chair and colleagues, for your comments. I'm happy to add you as co-authors on this bill. This is a common sense bill. As we are facing the Olympics, and we know the one thing this administration has done is invest in security, there will be billions in contracts let go to make sure that our region, our state is protected. This is part of our legacy, is that after the Olympics, we will have a more trained workforce. that we will have black and brown workers who are on a pathway to a career and we know training is a major part of it we want to make sure workers are safe we want to make sure our communities are safe and this bill helps to do that and with that I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Secretary please call the roll.
Item number five SB 1203 Smallwood Cuevas motion is due pass and re-refer to Committee on Public Safety.
Ortega? Aye.
Ortega, aye.
Alaniz? No.
Alaniz, no.
Chen?
No.
Hawaii?
Calra?
Aye.
Calra, aye.
Lee?
Aye.
Lee, aye.
Ward?
Aye.
Ward, aye. That bill has four ayes, one no. We'll leave the roll open for absent members. Thank you.
Great job. Me too. Thank you. I know I can't believe it. Sorry, I have a good one. You too. Thank you so much. Great job. Great job. We're doing 1284, right? Yes. OK. Perfect. For our witness? OK. OK.
Senator, would you be ready for SB1284?
Yes, I will. Oh, I thought we were taking a break.
Oh, it's all yours. We're ready.
Thank you so much, Mr. Vice Chair, colleagues, and we will have a translator with us to support my witness. I'm proud to present SB1284. At its core, 1284 is about affordability and transparency for Californians. Right now, more than 3 million working Californians rely on Medi-Cal because wages are too low and employer coverage is unaffordable. Nearly one in five California jobs is held by a Medi-Cal enrollee, representing more than $20 billion in public spending tied to the workforce. That means taxpayers, Californians, are subsidizing gaps in the employer-provided coverage, even as large corporations remain highly profitable. Under existing law, large employers are already required to offer affordable coverage. When full-time workers still rely on Medi-Cal, it signals a gap between what is required on paper and what is affordable in reality. And without transparency, taxpayers cannot see where their dollars are going or why costs keep rising. SB 1284 does not assign blame. It provides transparency so policymakers and the public can understand what is driving costs. In my district, I hear from workers who are all doing the right thing, but they still are falling behind, and their stories reflect a broader affordability crisis, which we all know so well in all of our districts across this state. Our essential workers cannot afford health care, and even while contributing to our economy every day, taxpayers are footing the bill. Meanwhile, some of our largest, most profitable corporations continue to report strong profits while relying on public programs to support their workers. That also puts responsible employers who do the right thing by their workers at a competitive disadvantage. This raises a fundamental question about fairness. At a time of a budget strain and rising costs, as we're trying to figure out how to balance this budget, and we already see so many families hurt by H.R. 1 who will lose their health care, is it fair for taxpayers to subsidize corporate labor costs? SB 1284 responds with a simple solution, transparency and accountability. This bill will require that the Department of Health Care Services publish the names of large employers with workers enrolled in Medi-Cal along with the estimated cost to taxpayers. This is about giving Californians clear information and delivering long overdue accountability. Over 70% of voters, and I want to say that's Democrats, independents, and Republicans, see this initiative as fair. Fairness in action. This has bipartisan support with voters across every aisle, recognizing that they do not want to share the costs while profitable corporations are off the hook. SB 1284 is a measured step forward because without transparency, nothing changes. And with me to testify today is Edwar Johan Oyos, who is a janitorial services worker and member of SEIU, USWW, and Devon Gray within poverty in California.
Do you want to go first?
Translate. Okay, perfect. You'll have two minutes, interpreter of two minutes, and you'll have two minutes. Thank you.
Okay, thanks. Buenas tardes para todas y para todos. Mi nombre es Eduard John Hoyos. Soy padre de tres hijos, y junto con mi esposa hemos trabajado durante toda nuestra vida para sacar adelante a nuestra familia. Gracias a ese esfuerzo, dos de nuestros hijos están en la universidad, y nuestra hija mayor is doing a research in environmental sciences. I work in Cupertino for a contractor who provides cleaning services for a great technology company. I also work in the SEU and I am part of the executive committee During these years we have seen how the work conditions have changed We also have seen how some of the Mesa Ejecutive During these years we have seen how the conditions of work have changed We also have seen how some contractors reduce salaries and replace workers by employees without a sindical protection. These practices break the conditions and limit the access to essential benefits, especially the medical care. He has seen how this situation affects my colleagues and their families. Many essential workers do not have access to a medical coverage asequible and provided by their employees and they end up paying public programs like Medicar to receive medical care. The reality is that when the employees do not fully accept their responsibility, the cost of the health of their workers ends up falling over the state and the constituents of California. So today I am here. I believe that we are working on the people who contribute to the success and the enriqueceding of large companies and technology companies we are receiving access to medical care and quality and a legal conditions. For these reasons, the Ley SB 1284 is a step ahead important and necessary. This legislation will help to strengthen our medical care system and to promote more responsibility by the employees. I ask you to... Thank you. Good afternoon, committee members. My name is Araceli Rueda, and I'll be translating for Mr. Hoyos. Good afternoon. My name is Edward John Hoyos. I am the father of three children, and together with my wife, we have worked our entire lives to provide for our family. Thanks to that hard work, two of our children are currently attending university, and our oldest daughter is pursuing a master's degree in environmental sciences. For the past four years, I have worked in Cupertino for a contractor that provides cleaning services to a large global tech company. I am also a member of SEIU-USWW and serve on the executive board. Over the years, we have seen working conditions change. We have also seen some contractors coat wages and replace workers with employees who do not have union protections. These practices weaken working conditions and limit access to essential benefits, especially health care. I have first hand seen, I have, I have seen firsthand how the situation affects my coworkers and their families. Many essential workers do not have access to affordable health coverage provided by their employers and end up relying on public programs such as Medi-Cal to receive basic medical care. The reality is that when employers do not fully take responsibility, the cost of caring for their workers' health falls on the state and on California taxpayers. This is why I am here today. I firmly believe that those of us who contribute every day to the success and prosperity of the biggest tech companies deserve access to quality health care and dignified work conditions. For these reasons, SB 1284 represents an important and necessary step forward. This legislation will help strengthen our health care system and promote greater employer accountability. Please vote in support for SB 1284 Thank you Great job Go ahead buddy Thank you Good afternoon Chair and members I Devin Gray I president of End Poverty in California and we proud co of SB1284 As many of you know, California, despite our immense wealth, has the joint highest poverty rate in the nation. And unfortunately, some of our largest employers have decided that that's someone else's problem by paying poverty wages and often failing to offer employees affordable health coverage. health coverage. This, of course, leads to millions of Californians who indeed have jobs relying on Medi-Cal. In fact, as the senator mentioned, nearly one in five of all California workers are enrolled on Medi-Cal. My organization has spent the last four years traveling to 26 counties across the state to convene and listen to people living in poverty. And everywhere, urban, rural, suburban, from the Oregon border down to San Diego and our coastal and inland communities, what we hear every time is people who say, I'm working hard, I'm doing everything right, and I'm still not making enough money to get by, let alone get ahead. I don't believe this is the consequence of personal failings. Rather, it's a consequence of a system that allows for large employers to too often be able to pay poverty wages without accountability. And what this bill helps create is that accountability. That accountability doesn't just help the underpaid child care worker in Fresno or the garment worker in LA. It also helps all of us as taxpayers who will otherwise be tasked with filling the gaps in Medi-Cal that will be created as HR1 comes into effect and we see a trillion-dollar cut from Medicaid over the next decade. SB-1284 works by posing important questions where we've lacked answers. It asks, which employers have the most workers' independence on Medi-Cal, and what does that cost the state and taxpayers each year? With annual public reporting, this legislature gains the evidence that it needs to act on wages, on coverage requirements, on employer responsibility. And so with that, I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Thank you.
Thank you. Anyone else in support, please come up. Name, organization, and your position, please.
Good afternoon, Chair and members. Beth Malnowski, the SEO California Proud Co-Sponsor. I'm taking advantage of your aye votes today. Mariko Yoshihara on behalf of USW on Western State Council. Proud co-sponsor. Thank you. Good afternoon, I'm with the American Federation of State County Municipal Employees in support. My name is Jerry Longoria, I support this bill. My name is Miguel Lopez, organizer with USWW, also in support. Peace and enemies, I have USWW in support. My name is Sebastian Navarro-Tisole, I'm a member from USWW and I support 1284. I'm Ariel Park, I'm a member of SEIU-USWW. I'm also on the executive board and I strongly support this bill. My name is Daniel, custodial at Disneyland and I support. Again, my name is Allison Huber and I support SB1284. Thank you. Hello there. there. Wayman feathery again, Los Angeles, California, and I wholeheartedly support this bill. Latasha re US WW and I support this bill. My name is Hector. I'm from Disney. I work in the entertainment department and I support this bill. My deal these are the genital service support. Good afternoon again My name is Akiba Carter and I with SEIU USW and I am in support of SB 1204 Afternoon again My name is James Lyons Los Angeles California At USWW I in support of this bill Gilberto Rubio, security officer and SEIU member. I support Bill 1284. My name is Miguel. I support SB 1284. Thank you. My name is Larry Taylor. Thank you for supporting this bill in advance. Good afternoon, Tina Kramer, and I support SB1284. Good afternoon Esther Sandoval, baby matron of Disney and I also support SB 1284. My name is Eugene Marvel III, I support SB 1284. Good afternoon, I'm Alexander Nunez and I support SB 1284. Hi, my name is Warren Reed from Los Angeles, security officer and I support SB 1284. Once again, Kevin Adams, I support SB1284 as a California worker. Betsy Ramirez, and I support SB1284. Buenas tardes, mi nombre es Ana Mesa, y estoy aquí para apoyar la 1284. Hola, buenas tardes, mi nombre es Angelina Diego. I'm here to support SB1284. Good afternoon. My name is Viviana Restrepo. I'm here to support SB1284. My name is Halyard Freider, and I support SB1284. Good afternoon. My name is Alfredo Lahut. I'm here supporting the SB1284. Good afternoon. My name is Julia Ramirez. I support the 1284. Thank you. Buenas tardes. Mi nombre es Fernando Mondragon. I support la 1284. Buenas tardes. Mi nombre es Tatiana Nunez. Y estoy aquí para apoyar la SB1284. Gracias. I just want to say a much in this to support SB1284. Thank you. Gustavo Garcia in support of this bill. Malik Aaron in support of SB1284 Hola, buenas tardes. Soy Carolina Mendoza y estamos aquí para apoyar a la 284 Mi nombre es Veronica Bravo. Estoy aquí para apoyar a la 284 Hola, mi nombre es Alma Chavez y estoy aquí para apoyar a la 284 Thank you. 1284. My name is Anthony Guzman and I support 1284. Mi nombre es Tatiana Chaparro y estoy para apoyar la SB 284. Sergio Castellanos, apoyo a la 12B S84. Mi nombre es Luis Rodríguez y estoy para apoyar a la 1284. Thank you gentlemen and women David Matos Moran United States Marine veteran I support SB 1203 thank you. Hi again Sarah Bakari and I support SB 1284 thank you for your time. When I started my number is a still your pool of all social type water. Good afternoon. My name is Viseta Casarubias. I support the 1284. Jennifer Dyer, and yes, I support SB1284.
Thank you very much. Anyone in opposition, please come forward. Both will have two minutes each.
Linda Way with Western Center on Law and Poverty and Support.
Is this more supports coming in?
Yes. All right.
Hold on, opposition. We're going to go back to supports. Go ahead. Linda Way with Western Center on Law and Poverty and Support. All right.
Jennifer Robles with Health Access California in support. Loyal Terry with Economic Security California Action in support. Thank you. Connor Gossman-O'Halfa, Teamsters, California in support. Omar Lazardi, California Federation of Labor Unions in support. Julie Nielsen, National Union of Healthcare Workers in support. Hi, Gabriela Chavez with United Domestic Workers in strong support.
Thank you. One last call. Anybody else in support? I'm not going to have a line coming in here. Okay. All right, opposition, you have two minutes apiece. Give me a start.
Good afternoon. Andrea Lynch on behalf of the California Chamber of Commerce and respectful opposition to SB1284. We appreciate the bill's transparency goals, but a genuinely complete picture would account for the many factors driving Medi-Cal enrollment beyond employer decision. This bill does not do that. The bill's premise that employers with workers on Medi-Cal are shifting obligations onto taxpayers does not reflect how the program actually works. Enrollment is shaped by numerous factors, including workers who choose Medi-Cal over offered coverage, part-time or seasonal schedules, new hire waiting periods, and household income dynamics. A full-time worker earning California's minimum wage may qualify simply by having a child or working part-time. This is not an employer failure. That is the program functioning as designed. Listing an employer's name next to a Medi-Cal enrollment count without any of this context implies sole responsibility for an outcome shaped by state policy, federal rules, and individual worker circumstances no employer has legal authority to override. We would also note that public employers, including state agencies, are absent from this reporting requirement, despite the fact that thousands of public sector workers qualify for Medi-Cal by income threshold alone. Transparency that applies to only one sector of the economy is an incomplete and unequal standard. For these reasons, we respectfully oppose SB 1284. Mr Chair Chris McKeeley here on behalf of the Society for Human Resource Management We think that the evidence sought by the author and proponents could be gleaned more from aggregate data Individualized is not required which is proposed in the legislation. We view it as a public shaming measure instead. The only other time that California has engaged in public shaming of individual employers or businesses, and in fact, to some individuals, is with tax scoff laws. And those folks, of course, have had their due process rights adjudicated because they have been determined to, in fact, owe those dollars to the state of California before their names are actually publicized. I hearken back to October of 2017, when then-Governor Jerry Brown vetoed a public shaming bill dealing with pay transparency and indicated that that would probably lead to litigation against those businesses that were named. And so for those reasons, SHRM continues to express respectful opposition to this measure. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you. Anyone else in opposition, please step up, name, organization. No one's going to come from out the door. All right. We'll turn it over to the Dias. Assembly Mayor Calra.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just on the last point that was made by Mr. McKeely on the pay disparity. Did you want to?
We're going to have one sneaking in. Yeah, of course.
Good afternoon. Jacob Brent with the California Retailers Association and Respectful Opposition. Thank you. I'm familiar with that. I had one bill one year that had to do with disclosing pay and what have you. And the pay disparity issue, an argument could be made on litigation because you're talking about maybe two people in the same classification. That is very different. This has to do with Medi-Cal enrollment, so I don't think it opens itself up to that type of litigation. That being said, I don't think there's anything shameful about being on Medi-Cal, first of all. I think that there is something, I think, shameful about employers that have large swaths of their employees on Medi-Cal by choice in order to increase their profit margins. There are certainly going to be some companies, and because of their business model, maybe they're seasonal, what have you. And the reality is there's nothing that stops an employer from sharing more information, if they so choose, to give context to the data. This is not about anecdotes. We can all find an anecdote about a reason why someone can't work full time. They have to take care of their elderly parent or a child. This is about cumulative data from each corporation or each company. and getting that full picture. And I think, unfortunately, the business plan by design of some of these companies is to have the taxpayers subsidize some of the costs that otherwise they would have to pay for. So keeping people as part-time workers rather than giving full-time employment, there are some very wealthy, some of the biggest corporations in the nation do that by practice. And so what this data will help us do is make that determination. Hey, there are some companies that are doing it. This is the manner in which they operate their business. They have seasonal because of the kind of business they do. Okay. But there are some other companies that are intentionally not hiring full time. They're keeping people within the parameters of being eligible for Medi-Cal. what are some policies we can do or how can we work with those companies to get more of their folks in under their health care or help with ACA subsidies This is not all about sticks There are definitely carrots that can come from this data as well and working with our business community And so I think it very hard for us to develop policy or long-term planning for jobs for the future and high road employment when we don't have the data. And in fact, I was on the future of work commission that one of the outcomes of that commission that also had business representatives on that commission, folks in the chamber on that commission, was that we need data in order to determine how we create hybrid employment into the future. And so this is an important piece of that and will help us, help better inform us of how we should approach these issues in the future. And yes, if there are business practices that push folks on to Medi-Cal roles at taxpayer expense, we should know that. And it's really important for us to have that kind of data. And so I would certainly make a motion on this, would like to be added as a co-author, and appreciate the Senator for bringing this forward. Thank you, and I think
I heard a second from Assemblymember Lee. Anyone else? Yes? Either one. Let's go first. I think he's saying ladies first. Go ahead, Lee. Go ahead, Lee.
All right, I'm just going to ditto everything Assemblymember Calra said, and I want to thank your witness. Even being modest, working for a tech company in Cupertino. I wonder what that one could be. But I really do appreciate you coming here and sharing your story. I do think it is really important that this data is out there so we can better, like my colleague said, better understand the role that our employers have and the role the public sector has in making sure that everyone has health care. Because at the end of the day, someone's paying for it, and we have to make sure what is the most equitable and just way of paying for it. And I would love to be added as a co-author as well. Thank you. Please add me as a co-author as well. Thank you so much for the work that you're doing to make sure employers are paying their fair share and really working on the disclosure part of this means that we're one step closer. Given that we are in a time in our state where we have faced a deficit and we know we need to keep preparing for the future, this is an opportunity to really look at how we can actually address that. Thank you.
Chen, you good? I have a couple. So first off, Senator, you in your opening, you talked about 70% of Californians. I wasn't quite sure where you got the 70% from. So there have been surveys across the state looking at all different rural, urban, more Republican-leaning, more independent-leaning Democratic districts, asking this question about the fairness of shifting the cost of health care onto the taxpayers versus employers stepping up and doing the right thing to support their workers having health care. and the data was very clear that there was across the board, across the aisle, support for a fair share strategy I think we know a lot of our no matter where folks live or what party they in it hard to make ends meet and and more and more of our communities are losing their health care and so this is a human problem it's it's not a political problem it's a human problem that we have to solve and this This is, you know, the data is about providing some information to help us. And, you know, the shaming, and I talk about the tone of the conversation because this is not about shaming. People are going to lose their health care. People are going to die as a result of what is happening with H.R. 1 and California's inability to provide health care for all. Those folks who are, you know, not able to work, who are dealing with cancer, for example, because of the eligibility requirements, they likely will lose their health care and not have access to treatment. Young mothers with their young babies might lose their health care. And so as we are looking at, I think we're spending almost $290 billion on health care in California, two-thirds of our budget. I mean, imagine what we could be doing if we all just rolled up our sleeves and said, we're going to take on our share of what this cost is. So this is what this bill is. It is fairness. And I think when we talk to communities about this, no matter where they are on the political spectrum, they see this as fair. Thank you. So to my knowledge, businesses with potential employees or current employees can't ask if they're on Medi-Cal. I know Walmart is like one of their largest or one of our biggest ones that have give second chances to people have been incarcerated. And so just I fear that maybe one of the one of the unintended consequences with this is maybe they won't have that with the gap going on between that. So for you, how would this affect like those of incarcerated or those are maybe who have been maybe been disabled or maybe even seniors? Well, one of the real problems that we have with the changes in Medi-Cal and HR1 right now is that the requirement to work is going to require employers to get that information. The work eligibility is going to require employers to collect that information. And so, you know, whether you're a senior and you're not working, if you're formerly incarcerated and you're in between jobs, you are going to be impacted in terms of your access to basic health care. And so it really is a challenge that we are in California. As you know, we're all trying to address that. We're trying to do everything that we can to put in some protections so that these eligibility requirements don't lead to more than the estimated 3 million people that we expect will lose their health care in the coming months and years due to H.R.1. And so, you know, it's going to be tough for seniors. It's going to be tough for formerly incarcerated individuals. And so this again, and again, we hope business will come to the table on this, because if we can solve this health care crisis, if California can lead on ways to solve this, there will be a lot more revenue in our state budget to do the things that we want to invest in business to do, like create more good jobs for California residents. But we have a real problem. And HR1 has helped to shine a light on just how real the problem is. I think we, you know, with ACA, with so many folks enrolled, you know, and we saw some of the costs sort of coming down. And now we are seeing this cost in human life that's going to be expected as more people lose their health care. So how do we, this is a simple disclosure bill. This is information, This is data. And if we don't, we can't fix something if we don't really know, you know, the severity of the challenge. And so my hope is that we can we can continue to move this bill forward. We can continue to enlist the support of the chamber, HR leaders and others to help roll up their sleeves, work with us to solve this crisis. Thank you. And to your witness, you brought up gaps. Won't employers only look for maybe employees that don't have any gaps? Do you guys see that being an unintended consequence? Sorry, could you repeat that? I didn't quite hear you. So employers only looking for people who don't have the gaps that you were talking about, like in their work history and stuff like that. Is that something you guys have thought about with this, of that not being an unintended consequence? I think there's always going to be some edge cases for what we're trying to solve for here. I think the principal aim of what we're trying to achieve with this is really just understanding the nature of the problem. There are going to be many people who are, as we've discussed, enrolled in Medi-Cal despite being employed for good reason. And that's fine. I think we can deal with that. I think what we should strive to achieve, however, is just mere transparency to know what the nature of the issue is. And if we can have that transparency, we're able to then address the gaps in a more precise way. So that's sort of how I think most of us are thinking about this, and I don't think we actually lose much by getting more information. Okay, thank you. And for opposition, did you have anything on the gaps or anything like that you wanted to speak of?
No, I think just generally speaking, I think having a full transparency measure, again, just kind of want to reemphasize from testimony that this is sector-specific to private industry. And again, just based on salaries of public sector workers alone, they could qualify for Medi-Cal based on that. And so I think just considering the multiple factors why an employee could be on Medi-Cal is something we're looking for in the bill. And this is just pinpointing a single factor as private employers. Thank you.
Anyone else? Mr. Ward, you good? He's good. Senator, you may close.
Well, thank you for this discussion. And we, as I mentioned, we don't want to be an outlier. This issue is being taken up in places like New Jersey, which has, the governor has introduced a fair share strategy, which is an actual bill that is bringing business to the table to pay a premium for those employees who are on Medi-Cal. The same is happening in Colorado and Maryland and other places. And so we're a nation state, and I think California should lead on this. and we have diverse businesses that would benefit from our state deficit being reduced and us being able to invest in many other places by ensuring that we do all that we can to fund our Medi-Cal program and to pay for those workers who may be on it. So with that I respectfully ask for your aye vote on disclosure and transparency Thank you Senator Unfortunately right now I not here with you Hopefully on the floor I will be but I know Chair Ortega has a recommendation of an aye and please take the roll
Item number six SB 1284 Smallwood Cuevas. Motion is due passed and we refer to Committee on Appropriations. Ortega? Alanis? No. Alanis, no. Chen? No. Chen, no. El-Jawari? Aye. El-Jawari, aye. Calra? Aye. Caller I Lee Lee I Ward Ward I will keep that on call and I'm sure we get up thank you senator revolving you ready ready all yours this is going to be item number seven SB 1054 Senator, when you're ready, you have the floor.
I have a motion and a second.
All right. I can't third it, though. You can't. Okay.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. This bill has two purposes, but the mechanism is actually very simple. The first purpose, and it's been a longstanding issue, is we want to improve, substantially improve the quality of our workforce data. data collection and sharing between the new Interagency Council, the Workforce Development Board and others, so that we can actually do a much better job of assuring that the programs that we're offering, both in the public sector and those that we regulate, are creating the kinds of pathways to high roads jobs that Californians are looking for. And so this bill is intended to do. That's the easy part. The second is that, as you've heard and as you all know, under H.R. 1, there are new requirements for data collection as part of the recertification for applicants from Medi-Cal in California for CalFresh. And those new data elements don't fit with our existing data collection system, and therefore the state's ability to automatically verify eligibility for 80-plus percent of the applicants has been compromised. The administration's done a lot of work to meet the need in the moment, so the state has a contract with Equifax in order to accomplish that in the near term. That's $12 per ping for every single employee, so it's not a long-term sustainable solution. So this bill simply adds that required data element, which is hours worked, to the unemployment insurance wage reporting system and makes additional changes to that system in order to improve our workforce data, in order to accomplish both goals. Better data in order to improve workforce development programs and outcomes, and then secondarily to assure that we can avoid hundreds of thousands of Californians losing their Medi-Cal and CalFresh eligibility, not because they don't qualify, but because they fall through the cracks of these new data requirements and semi-annual requirements. So that's the purpose of the bill. I'd like to introduce our witnesses, Justin Garrett with the California State Association of Counties, and then Maxwell Johnson with California Competes, and with that, I would ask for an aye vote.
Thank you. Justin, Maxwell, you both have two minutes, please. Thank you.
Thank you. Justin Garrett with the California State Association of Counties, representing all 58 counties. CSAC is in strong support of SB 1054 and thankful to the author for his leadership on this issue. This bill is needed because HR1 creates significant risk for people losing their health coverage and food benefits, and counties are on the front lines of helping people maintain that coverage for both Medi and CalFresh and need all the resources and data sources available for this work So SB 1054 an important tool in the toolbox for counties in the state They help prevent vulnerable Californians from unnecessarily losing health care and nutrition assistance H.I.1 creates new and expanded work requirements for CalFresh, which went into effect this month, and then for Medi-Cal, which is going to effect on January 1st. These requirements require recipients to demonstrate 80 hours per month of work, education, or volunteering, volunteering or job training, and counties are responsible for working with recipients and ensuring they have the proper documentation of hours worked, which is time-consuming and challenging. And the significant procedural and paperwork burden will in itself cause people to lose coverage even when they're eligible and have met the work requirements. And so SB 1054 will ease that burden by requiring EDD to collect hours worked data from employers and facilitate this information sharing with DHCS and CDSS. This data collection and sharing will allow for streamlined verification that someone has met the work requirements and will allow them to maintain the coverage and benefits that they're eligible for. So we ask for your aye vote. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair and members. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. My name is Maxwell Johnson and I'm here on behalf of California Competes, Higher Education for a Strong Economy, who is proud to co-sponsor Senate Bill 1054. This legislation, as you've heard, would modify our existing wage data reporting by adding a small number of targeted known elements, including on employees' hours worked and occupation, and by increasing the reporting frequency from a quarterly to a monthly cadence. These are straightforward changes that could have meaningful impacts across public benefit systems, our workforce systems, and our education system. As you've heard, the more timely wage and work hours information would help streamline certain benefit applications and renewals. In starting this month, many adults must meet these worker community engagement requirements to continue receiving CalFresh for more than three months, and beginning in January, many adults will face similar requirements to qualify for and remain enrolled in Medi-Cal. Enhanced wage data, however, would also help automate the Medi-Cal eligibility determinations and similarly streamline those for CalFresh, reducing administrative burden and helping prevent improper benefit loss. The added wage data would also help California better understand the impact of our current education and job training investments, however, while improving how the state plans for and coordinates future spending. Current wage data can tell us how much someone has earned, but not in what job or for how many hours of work. That greatly limits our ability to understand whether education and job training programs are helping people reach their career goals and connect to quality employment. It also makes it harder for colleges and training providers to assess and improve their programs based on student outcomes. Adding this information to our state's cradle-to-career data system would provide a clearer picture of how people move through education and workforce training and into the labor market. This could support the creation, for instance, of dashboards and other tools that help students make informed choices about where to enroll, what to study, and what pathways best align with their career goals. I respectfully urge your support for SB1054, which is a practical and timely approach, but also draws on the experiences of numerous states that have already undertaken similar data enhancements. Thank you.
Thank you. Do we have additional witnesses in support?
Loyalty on behalf of Economic Security California Action, proud support. Thank you. Sarah Brennan with Weidemann Group on behalf of Institute for Responsive Gov. We thank the author for meeting with us and are in proud support. Good afternoon. Linda Way with Western Center on Law and Poverty in support. Hi Jenny Aguilar on behalf of Edge Coalition California in support of the bill Thank you Hi Anai Matias Santiago with Latina Advocates here on behalf of Hispanas Organized for Political Equality and Support Thank you
Seeing no other witnesses in support, do we have any main witnesses in opposition? Have you guys been scooted over? Okay
Andrea lunch on behalf of the California Chamber of Commerce just want to say thank you to the author and we're going to continue the discussion discussions to ensure small businesses can provide that reporting. So thank you
Thank you see no other witnesses turn it over to the dais for any questions or comments seeing none Senator, would you like to close?
Just to say, to thank the chamber as well for their comments, because obviously we want to make sure that people can comply and can report. They and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and others have been working closely with us, as well as with the administration, on how to make sure that this works. Obviously, under H.R. 1, every small business will also have to provide some mechanism for their employees to verify that data, too. And so our hope is this simplified regular data that's timed more with payroll reporting than anything else will help small businesses as well. And, of course, they want their employees to not lose eligibility for Medi-Cal as well. So it's a useful and important step to work forward. I do also want to highlight the committee analysis raises several technical questions, including things like how will it intersect with workforce Pell and others. We are absolutely committed to working through those issues. as well as additional ones that we expect will come from EDD on implementation as we go forward. But I appreciate all of the support for the bill and the work to try to assure that California can use the data that we collect and the systems that we have in order to mitigate the impacts of HR1 on folks who are fully qualified, but otherwise might fall through the cracks. And with that, I would ask for an I vote.
Thank you. Secretary, please call the roll. Item number, file item number 8, SB1054, Cabalden. Motion is do pass and re-refer to Committee on Appropriations. Ortega? Aye. Ortega, aye. Alaniz? Aye. Alaniz, aye. Chen? Aye. Chen, aye. El-Hawari? Aye. El-Hawari, aye. Calra? Aye. Calra, aye. Lee? Aye. Lee, aye. Ward? Aye. Ward, aye. That bill is out. Thank you. Thank you. We have two bills remaining, Senator Reyes and Senator Araguin. If you can make your way to Labor and Employment Committee, please. All right, file item number one SB 845 Perez file item number four SB 1012 smallwood Cuevas and file item number 10 SB 1227 DeRosso motion is due pass and we refer to committee on appropriations with the recommendation to consent calendar Alanis Alanis I Chen Chen I Thank you. Okay, just make sure Okay file item number two SB 954 Blake sphere motion is do pass and we refer to committee on appropriations Alan East Alan East no Chen Chen not voting Senator Reyes, welcome. Item number 9, SB 1032, whenever you are ready.
Thank you, Madam Chair and members. It is my pleasure to present to you SB 1032, the Staffing Agency Fair Employment or SAFE Act. SB 1032 will create a clear, common-sense regulatory framework for temporary staffing agencies, similar to what already exists for contractors and other high-risk industries. California has the largest temporary staffing market in the nation, with staffing firms generating over $41 billion in annual revenue and employing millions of workers over the course of a year. Despite this scale, California lacks a dedicated regulatory framework for temporary staffing agencies, allowing gaps in oversight that puts workers, honest businesses, and taxpayers at risk. This fragmented labor enforcement system leaves workers and families exposed. This bill addresses this issue by establishing clear oversight, real accountability, and required registration so staffing agencies are complying with the law before harm can occur. SB 1032 would align temporary staffing agencies with the existing regulatory approach in other industries to protect workers and promote compliance. Here to testify in support are Alberto Torrico on behalf of UFCW Western States Council and James Phillips, partner with Envero Staffing Group.
Good afternoon, Madam Chair, members of the committee. Alberto Torrico on behalf of the United Food and Commercial Workers Western States Council and our 175,000 members throughout the state. We're sponsoring the measure because, unfortunately, staffing agencies, illicit staffing agencies that don't have licenses, they don't provide workers' comp, they don't pay the minimum wage. It's an arena that, as Senator Reyes mentioned, does not require licenses. Other industries that, not coincidentally, other industries that do require licenses include farm workers, government workers, individuals that work in car washes. Other industries, janitorial, other industries that are largely exploited, many of those workers are immigrants. So it's a field where there could be a lot of exploitation. So UFCW, along with many other unions, try to lift the standard of living. And when you have illicit operators that don have licenses cheat on workers comp cheat on wages it depresses the wages and it and it makes makes people have to not work one job or two or three So for the reasons set forth by the senator and in the bill we respectfully ask for that Thank you Good afternoon madam chair and members of the committee My name is James Phillips and I'm a partner with in barrel staffing which operates within in Senator Reyes' district. Thank you for the opportunity today to speak in support of California Senate Board Bill 1032. More than two decades ago, I took my first job as a recruiter at a small family-run business. In that small one-room office, I discovered my career purpose. I listened daily to the stories of struggle our employees brought with them, and by finding them work, I found myself humbled and fulfilled by their renewed hope and gratitude. Twelve years later, I partnered with my brother to start in burial staffing. Our mission continues to be defined by ethical business practices that prioritize putting people first. We support SB 1032 because it aims to improve transparency, strengthen compliance, create more consistent labor practices, and provide workers with the protection they deserve. From a personal standpoint, I can say with confidence we encounter illegitimate staffing agencies operating unfairly every single day. This month alone, the month of June, my team had personal meetings with five prospective clients in the Inland Empire region, at which point we discovered the client company is utilizing a staffing agency, in some cases multiple staffing agencies, with operating rates in the low 20 percentile. In my 20-plus years of experience in the industry, I can report with authority that a legitimate staffing agency would find these rates impossible to offer carrying adequate workers' comp coverage. As the current market stands, there's only one winner, and that's the illegitimate staffing agency. This legislation is especially important because it will support business that invests in compliance and provide workers with the true respect and coverage they deserve. For those reasons, we respectfully ask for your continued effort to pass SB 1032. too. Thank you all for your time and consideration today and a special thank you to Senator Reyes for being a voice for California workers and legitimate staffing agencies. Thank you.
Do we have additional witnesses in support?
Elmer Lizardo with the California Federation of Labor Unions in support.
Seeing no other witnesses, do we have a main witness in opposition?
Good afternoon. Molly Mallow with Edelstein Gilbert Robeson and Smith. We represent the California Staffing Professionals. They are the longstanding established and recognized trade association for the temporary staffing and recruiting industry in California. We're made up of about 150 member companies. Our membership is made up of all type of staffing firms, but includes many small to medium sized women owned staffing agencies, all of whom share similar concerns with this bill. We have three core concerns that have yet to be addressed despite our effort to offer amendments since before the first policy committee three months ago. One, the definition of staffing agencies explicitly carves out professional employer organizations, also known as PEOs. PEOs when used by a staffing agency are the responsible entity for workers compensation payroll and insurance Excluding them from this bill creates a loophole that would further exacerbate the problem the author seeks to solve for around proper workers' comp and proof of coverage. Two, the scope of what is required to register and lack of statutorily set registration fee. We've provided language that would align registration more closely with the registration requirements of the other similar bodies of law that are noted in the analysis. Most importantly, we need a set statutory fee for registration. And then three, the private right of action.
The PRA in this bill is set up to allow a registered staffing agency to sue an unregistered staffing agency. It's anti-competitive and creates an opportunity for a larger resource staffing agency to go after the little competitors. Let me be clear, we're not opposed to registration or the core goals of this bill to require the industry to register with the Department of Industrial Relations. but we are opposed to creating a scheme that will end up benefiting and incentivizing the use of PEOs, which is not to the benefit of the workers. There's a lot happening in this bill. I'm happy to answer questions, but because our concerns and amendments have yet to be addressed, I would respectfully ask your no vote.
Good afternoon, Madam Chair and committee members. My name is Lisa Lichty. I am a board member for the California Staffing Professionals. I am also a board member for a workers' comp insurance company, specifically insuring staffing firms, and I am the CEO and owner of Star Staffing, which has been serving Northern California for 28 years, employing thousands of workers. Because the amendments have not been considered in this bill, I am here today in opposition of SB 1032, as written, as the bill does not solve the problem it is trying to address. This bill does not do enough to address workers' compensation fraud. In my experience, especially as a board member of a workers' compensation insurance company, fraud mostly happens through underreporting, misreporting, or purchasing coverage that is not truly protecting the workers. SB 1032 does not affect this. registering with the Labor Commissioner does not prove that employees have legitimate, fully funded workers' compensation coverage. Bad actors who are willing to cheat the system today will continue to find ways to cheat the system as written. Another major flaw, as Molly mentioned, is that PEOs are excluded from the definition of staffing agencies, even though they serve as the employer of record, provide workers' compensation, and compete with or serve the same market as staffing firms. If PEOs are not included, this bill creates a major loophole for bad actors hiding behind PEOs. I also want to speak as a small business owner to the impact of this bill. I am a women-owned staffing business owner, and if this bill had been in place when I started my staffing firm at the age of 22, I very likely may not have been able to start my firm. The staffing industry is not a high-profit industry, so high or unknown registration fees, burdensome financial disclosures, subjective reviews of character and competency create unnecessary barriers for small women-owned businesses to enter the industry. The private right of action is especially concerning. It could allow for larger competitors to sue or harass smaller firms. So because no amendments have been taken, I respectfully request a no vote.
Thank you. Do we have other witnesses in opposition? Andrea Lynch on behalf of the California Chamber of Commerce and respectful opposition Mike Robeson here on behalf of the American Staffing Association in opposition Austin Rogelstad, sharing opposition for the following staffing firms. Balance Diversity, Bolt Staffing, ATR International, Synapse, Talent Group, and the Generation Group. Thank you. Thank you. See no other witnesses. I'll turn it over to the dias for questions or comments. We have a motion a second senator, would you? Oh, sorry. I did not see you.
Sorry, couldn't help in the book. Took lots of notes. Just concerns with it. And obviously, this is not my area of expertise. You talked about definition of staffing, scope of registration, setting fees. So registering a staffing company with the state that will or will not ensure that workman's comp will happen or not? Either one, whoever wants to answer that. I'm sorry. So with all the things that came up, registering a staffing company with the state, how does that ensure against workman's comp fraud?
Thank you for the question, Mr. Vice Chairman. The licensing requirements include a requirement to file workers' compensation coverage. So the idea of the bill is twofold. At the front end, if you're required to, as part of your license, you're required to show proof of workers' compensation. You have one mechanism at the front end. You have a second mechanism at the back end, which has been referenced, which is the private right of action, which means if you're a licensed operator and you discover an unlicensed operator, you can go to court and get an injunction to shut them down. So there's two mechanisms for enforcement, but the front-end enforcement is really important for workers' comp. I do agree that there is a workers' comp problem. It's significant, and some of them are underreporting. In this industry, many of them are no workers' compensation whatsoever, and there's no way to verify that because there's no licensing scheme.
And so as far as the licensing, would that be after this bill or we're talking about before this bill as far as licensing goes?
There is no licensing. There's no registration as of now.
Okay. So our staffing agencies, staffing companies just get a business license and start operating. They have no registration requirement. Okay. And so is this what you're referring to where a business could sue another business?
The private right of action is something that there's a similar bill, AB 1171 by Rubio in 2023, and that was with the cannabis industry, which authorizes a person licensed under the Medicinal and Adult Use Cannabis Regulation and Safety Act to bring an action in superior court against a person engaging in commercial cannabis activity without a license as specified. So this is a continuation, not a continuation, but that is one of the examples of a private right of action where someone is unlicensed. The person who is licensed, who has gone through the process, has workers' compensation, and finds an unlicensed staffing agency has a private right of action against them. After this bill? Yes. Okay. And then you're with California Staffing Association? I think that's what I wrote down.
What can you add on that as well?
I would just add existing law requires that they have workers' compensation. It's the law to have workers' comp for your employees. So to say that without registration you don't, I think is kind of a false statement. I also would just add on the kind of... Use of the cannabis industry as an example. The cannabis law requires that in order for an action to prevail in the private right of action, there has to be actual harm resulting from the unlicensed commercial cannabis activity. This private right of action has no harm necessary. It's just a registered staffing company can go after an unregistered staffing company just on the basis of being registered or not.
Okay, and then Lisa, I wrote down your name right? Yes. You were talking about underreporting bad actors as far as workman's comp fraud. Is that also like maybe what the senator is addressing? As I understand it, this bill does not do anything to address underreporting. I could have a workers' comp policy and report $1. So it doesn't have to do anything with addressing the payroll reporting or that they are coded correctly for the work that they are doing. Okay.
If I may respond. And if somebody registers and says they have $1 that they're in workers' comp insurance, I am certain whoever registers them is going to flag that. I'll tell you, the good thing is that we are surrounded here at this table by good actors. And so it's very difficult. It's not those who are at this table that are causing the problem. It's those who don't have workers' comp insurance, who are staffing agencies. They contract with employers who now have these employees working for them. Neither one of them has workers' comp for them. The person is injured, and they have no recourse. The Unashared Employers Fund, that's all we have available for them. So this is the only way, because there is nothing else. There's the only way that by having these staffing agencies register with the state of California, we now have a way to show that they do have workers' comp insurance.
Okay. And if they want to work the system and say we have $1 in workers' comp insurance, not anybody at this table. But if somebody should do that when they register, I'm sure that would be flagged. And then my other concern is the PEO, the Professional Employers Organization that has come up that you guys are brought up. Why are PEOs excluded from this?
Thank you for that question. AB 1515, by this Assembly Labor Committee, which is another bill that either you have heard or you will hear, aims to regulate the PEO industry by defining key terms and prohibiting a person from providing advertising or otherwise holding oneself out as providing professional employer services in the state unless the person registers with the department. Thank you.
And then just the last thing, you were mentioning how you wouldn't have been able to start the business. Was there anything else that you had on that? And I know we might have ran out of time. We might be able to speak to each other a little bit more. But basically the way that it is written right now, well, a perfect example is a lot of staffing industry executives work for a staffing firm and then go out and start their own firm. The bigger firm has a lot more money available to be able to potentially prevent me under a private right of action should I be struggling with getting my own registration to prevent me from moving forward. Not only that, but also because the fee is not capped right now, just the cost alone might prevent me. Okay. And just one last thing now that I'm thinking about it. You mentioned you've been trying to work with the author. She's a wonderful senator. I'm sure she will. She will I don't know what the gaps are on that or not, but Hopefully that will happen soon Thank you sir Assemblymember Ted Thank you madam chair senator I I do appreciate of the bill and you bring this bill forward When it comes to wage theft and labor law violations I and myself I believe I can speak on behalf of the committee also The vice chair is a labor Republican, if you will. Those are all things that we're in direct opposition of. I do have a question, though, because when we spoke to the DIR, I myself and my staff, one of their main concerns was the things that they are unable to regulate as much as they would like is the black market. And as you said before, so eloquently, you're 100 percent right. The people surrounding you in this committee are folks who are the good actors. But DIR has constantly said they don't have enough individuals to go into the industry to regulate the bad actors. Do you think that is ultimately the main crux of the issue, the inability to have enough funds to regulate the market, to look for bad actors? If that is the main crux, do you think your bill, this piece of legislation, answers that?
I think what we're trying to do is we're trying to find a way to make sure that the workers are protected. And I think in a way this is also for the staffing agencies to be protected. You register. The fee is $600. Actually, it isn't set. The director will be the one to set it. But the fees so far that we have seen are $500, $600. Initially, when we introduced this bill, we had put it at $2,000 or $5,000. And as a result of conversations with the representatives, we then said the director will set it. And we already know what the director has set for other industries. Five to six hundred dollars is what we have seen. So we imagine that it's going to be the same thing. And if it isn't, it's something that we can address. But I think this is a protection for both the staffing agencies that are legitimately doing business, just as my witnesses also. and they all encounter those who are not legitimately doing business. And who is the one who is going to suffer? It's going to be the taxpayers. It's going to be those workers who are injured on the job and have no workers' comp insurance. And this is the closest we're coming to finally getting this industry registered. We're not talking about a small industry. As I said in my talking points, they generate over $41 billion in annual revenue and employ millions of employees here in California. So it's not a small industry, and I think that this is something we owe the workers and the legitimate staffing agencies to find a way to be registered, to show you do have workers' comp insurance to cover your employees as you send them out to employers.
Thank you, Senator. I really appreciate that. And one last question. You have an incredible amount of supporters that you have for this piece of legislation, which I am very appreciative of. And one of the folks that I'm trying to understand the reasoning for being a co-sponsor, UFCW, and why they're involved in an issue that is dealing with temporary staffing. I just want to get a better understanding what's the correlation there.
The United Food and Commercial Workers represents employers across a broad section of industries, farms farm workers packing industries meatpacking grocery stores cannabis shops Many of these shops are organized what we refer to as wall which means all the employees are unions but many of these companies are not wall and they avail themselves of staffing agencies to fill those positions janitorial and others That results in an undercutting of the wages for those workers and staffing agencies, and if the staffing agencies are unlicensed, don't have workers comp, the wages are even further undercut. So we're very much interested in raising the standard of living for employees and staffing agencies as well.
Thank you, Mr. Tarrica.
Any other questions? Okay, seeing none, I would just like to thank the author for bringing this bill forward. This is an industry that you mentioned makes over $41 billion annually. So we're not talking about a small mom and pop, you know, employer industry. We're talking about billions of dollars. And, you know, to the opposition, you know, I would in future hearings, I would really appreciate if you will choose your words a little bit more carefully. The senator is an attorney herself. And I know for a fact that some of the comments that were made were not false. because we looked a lot at this bill and went thoroughly and looked at other bills related to this industry. She is an attorney herself, so is very aware of the legal ramifications that are part of this piece of legislation. With that, Senator, would you like to close? Thank you very much, and thank you for the questions of the robust discussion. I sincerely appreciate that. And I do appreciate the opposition because it's their comments, although we didn't take all of the proposed amendments, it's many of these discussions that we had that helped us make to write a better bill. And with that, I respectfully ask for your aye vote. Secretary, please call the roll. File item number nine, SB 1032 Reyes. Motion is due pass and we refer to Committee on Judiciary. Ortega?
Aye.
Ortega, aye.
Alanis?
No.
Alanis, no. Chen? Chen?
No.
Chen, no.
El-Hawari?
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bill is out. Thank you. Assembly member Ward is going to go ahead and present for Senator item number 11 SB 1299 whenever you are ready. Thank you Madam Chair.
See senators we can do these things. Good afternoon. It's my pleasure to present on behalf of Senator Araguin SB 1299 the state fire marshal suppression education training safety act. I'd like to begin on his behalf by accepting the committee amendments and making technical changes and clarifying the definition of fire suppression systems in this bill. SB 1299 ensures that California has a clear enforceable framework for certifying and training fire sprinkler fitters. The bill would ensure that only properly trained and certified professionals perform this critical life safety work. With me to testify on behalf of this bill is Scott Wedge, representing the California State Pipe Trades Council. Madam Chair and members Scott Wedge on behalf of the California State Pipe Trades Council representing plumbers pipe fitters and sprinkler fitters This is a program we created many years ago Back in 2013 former Assemblymember Gordon carried a bill authorizing the state fire marshal to adopt regulations and standards to ensure fire occupancies regarding these types of systems We went through a three-and-a-half-year regulatory process where they created a certification program for sprinkler fitters. The program's been in effect for over a decade. It's been extremely successful. There was a lawsuit two years ago that culminated in 2025 where the court didn't throw out the program based on the merits of the program, but merely that back when the state fire marshal promulgated the regulations, that they did not follow all the appropriate processes of the Administrative Procedures Act. So because of that loophole, the whole program got tossed out. This now takes the program, updates it, because there's some new technologies that should be included, and codifies the original program that worked very effectively for over a decade, we urge an aye vote.
Do we have additional witnesses in support? Judy with the State Building and Construction Trades Council in support. Any witnesses in opposition? Seeing none, turning it over to the dais. We had a motion and a second. Would you like to close?
Thank you, Madam Chair. Fire sprinkler systems are one of the most critical tools for saving lives in a fire. We want to make sure that individuals working on these systems are trained and well-qualified to do this work. With that, we respectfully request your aye vote.
Secretary, please call the roll. File item number 11, SB 1299, Araguin. Motion is due pass and we refer to the Committee on Appropriations.
Ortega?
Aye.
Ortega, aye.
Alaniz?
Aye.
Alaniz, aye.
Chen?
Aye.
Chen, aye.
El-Hawari?
Kalra?
Aye.
Kalra, aye.
Lee?
Aye.
Lee, aye.
Ward?
Aye.
Ward, aye.
Six ayes. Six ayes, that measure is... Six ayes, that measure is... out. We will now go back to Okay, okay, file item number seven SB 1024 menjivar motion is do pass and we refer to
committee on appropriations with recommendation to consent calendar Alan East Alan East I
Chen. Chen, aye.
That measure has seven ayes. It is out.
Item number three, SB 966, Gonzalez. Motion is due, passed, and we refer to Committee on Appropriations.
Alanis? No. Alanis, no. Chen? No.
Chen, no. El-Hawari? Ward? Aye.
Ward, aye.
I have four ayes and two noes. We have four ayes and two noes. That measure is out. We'll leave the roll open for absent members. Item file, item number five, SB 1203, Smallwood Cuevas. Motion is due, pass, and re-refer to Committee on Public Safety.
Chen?
No.
Chen, no.
El Hawari? Only four ayes. Four ayes. Two no's. Two no's. We will leave the roll open for absent members.
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File item number 6, SB 1284, Smallwood Cuevas. Motion is due, pass, and re-refer to Committee on Appropriations.
Ortega?
Aye.
Ortega, aye. Yep.
Five ayes and two no's. Five ayes and two no's. We'll leave the roll open.
No?
That measure is out. Yep. And then that is it.
That's it, other than that one for Elwood. Yeah, she can be back. I'll get her.
Thank you . . Okay, file item number five, SB 1203, Smallwood Cuevas. Motion is due passed and re-referred to Committee on Public Safety.
El Huari?
Aye El Huari aye Five ayes two noes Five ayes two noes That measure is out File item number 11 SB 1299 Aragon the motion is due pass and we refer to committee on appropriations a Hawaii nice that has seven nights that measure is out that concludes labor and employment committee Thank you. Thank you Thank you. Thank you.