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Ohio House Local Government Committee - 3-11-2026

March 11, 2026 · Local Government Committee · 7,882 words · 14 speakers · 131 segments

Angela Kingrepresentative

Good morning. I now call this meeting of House Local Government Committee to order. And I'd like to recognize Representative Creech. Would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Rodney Creechrepresentative

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Thank you. Will the clerk please call the roll?

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Chair King?

Angela Kingrepresentative

Here.

Matthew Kishmanrepresentative

Vice Chair Kishman?

Angela Kingrepresentative

Here.

Veronica Simsrepresentative

Ranking Member Sims?

Angela Kingrepresentative

Here.

Cindy Abramsrepresentative

Representative Abrams?

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Brennan?

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Here.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Creech?

Jean Schmidtrepresentative

Here.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Fowler-Arthur?

Gary Clickrepresentative

Representative Kloppenstein?

Angela Kingrepresentative

Yes.

Meredith Lawson-Rowerepresentative

Representative Lawson-Rowe?

Angela Kingrepresentative

Here.

Ty Moorerepresentative

Representative Moore?

Angela Kingrepresentative

Here.

Jean Schmidtrepresentative

Representative Schmidt?

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Stevens?

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Here.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Checked.

David Thomasrepresentative

Representative Thomas.

Angela Kingrepresentative

We do have a quorum present. We'll proceed as a full committee. Ask you to refer to your iPads to review the minutes of our prior meeting. Are there any objections? Seeing none, the minutes are approved. We do have some members that are testifying in other committees, so we are going to rearrange our schedule a little bit this morning, and we are going to... We're going to call 351. Call for the House Bill 361 for its fourth hearing. And I'd like to recognize Vice Chair Kishman for a motion.

Matthew Kishmanrepresentative

Madam Chair, I motion to amend. Madam Chair, I motion to amend House Bill 361 with Sub Bill 1211-13.

Angela Kingrepresentative

The sub bill is in order. Please proceed. This sub bill comes from the bill sponsor to repeal sections 303, 161, and 519, 171 of the revised code to specify the elements of a comprehensive plan and to make other changes regarding building inspections, local regulations, and zoning. Are there any objections to the amendment? Hearing none, the amendment is adopted. And I request that LSC harmonize the bill with the adopted amendment. This concludes the fourth hearing of House Bill 361. And now I'll call forward House Bill 693 for its first hearing. I'd like to call representatives Dieters and CLIP to provide sponsor testimony. Welcome, representatives. The floor is yours.

Matthew Kishmanrepresentative

Thank you. Good morning, Chair King, Vice Chair Kishman, ranking member Sims, and members of the House Local Government Committee. Appreciate the opportunity to provide sponsor testimony on House Bill 639, Ohio's version of right-to-race bill. This same legislation has already been passed and enacted in Iowa and North Carolina, and similar legislation has been introduced and is currently being considered in 14 other states. This bill creates a defense to certain nuisance claims, such as those specifically involving noise, traffic, dust, and lighting against racing facilities and racetracks when the complaining property owner acquired or developed their property after the racing facility was already established and operating. This legislation is intended to protect longstanding motorsports facilities from nuisance lawsuits brought by nearby residents, newer nearby residents. It provides a clear legal framework for nuisance claims involving racetracks across the state. These types of laws help provide long-established racetracks with stability and predictability so that they can continue hosting events, supporting local jobs, and serving the motorsports community. Motorsports venues are vital to Ohio's economy, culture, and communities. Performance racing generates approximately $5 billion in economic impact in Ohio, supporting 19,499 jobs, $1.38 billion in total wages and benefits, and roughly $580 million in total taxes. Across Ohio, racetracks create employment opportunities for staff and event workers while attracting fans who support local hotels, restaurants, and businesses. Currently, there are 36 racetracks operating across roughly 29 of Ohio's 88 counties. I am proud to represent Summit Motorsports Park in my district and my joint sponsor, Representative Click, represents communities served by the Attica Raceway Park and Fremont Speedway. These facilities are major economic drivers in our communities, mine specifically, $100 million to Huron County and Erie counties. Despite their economic and cultural importance, in recent years, some longstanding racetracks have faced nuisance lawsuits driven by adjacent development, specifically most recently Columbus, Speedway, and Wayne County. Defending these lawsuits creates financial strain and uncertainty that can threaten closure, and this bill gives the legislature an opportunity to establish proactive legal safeguards that protect these facilities and the communities that rely on them. House Bill 639 offers a common-sense solution by ensuring that facilities which predate neighboring development are legally protected. By supporting House Bill 639, we can help prevent the closure of longstanding racetracks, preserve a pastime enjoyed by both small town and urban communities, and protect local jobs, tourism, and decades of racing heritage for future generations. I will yield to my joint sponsor, Representative Click, to provide his testimony.

Gary Clickrepresentative

Thank you, Representative Dieter, and thank you for allowing me to join you on this wonderful piece of legislation. Chair King, Vice Chair Kinchman, and members of the House and Ranking Member Sims, members of the House Local Government Committee, thank you for the opportunity to present sponsored testimony on House Bill 639, which is really just a common sense piece of legislation. And the premise behind this legislation is that no one should be able to move in next to a racetrack and sue a racetrack for doing what racetracks do. It's incumbent upon the purchaser to do the research before moving in next to a racetrack. I have a friend of mine back in the district who is into racing, and many years ago he purchased – he is an attorney. He might wear a black robe or he might not between Monday and Friday these days. But back in the day, he had a racetrack, and he was near the local airport that is actually owned by former state representative Rex Stammsroeder. and someone purchased a house in between the racetrack and the airport and filed suit. And I think he told some of his friends, he said, if you take this case, you're dumber than he is for moving in between a racetrack and an airport and not expecting noise. My district is home to the Fremont Speedway as well as the Attica Raceway, and I think one of my favorite events there is that you'd like this representative Creech is they get the big semi with the airplane engine on back, and that thing will fly down that track. And I love it. It's a lot of fun. The community loves it. But there are approximately 40 racetracks in Ohio, and they support nearly 20,000 jobs, $1.4 billion in wages and benefits, $4.94 billion in economic impact on the Buckeye State. This doesn't happen without kicking up a little bit of dust, revving a few engines, and one or two rowdy fans hanging out under the bright lights at night. We certainly respect the rights of homeowners. Please don't misunderstand that. But we also believe in responsible home ownership. And if you're going to purchase a home, it's incumbent upon you to know what's in that community. And we know many folks do that for the schools. What schools are in this district and what parks? And they look at all those other things. And it's certainly their responsibility to be aware if there is a racetrack that makes noise, kicks up a little dust in their neighborhoods. And you will hear from our proponents when they come in that there has been an increase in lawsuits being filed since COVID. And I think maybe some people moved in during COVID when it was quiet because the racetracks weren't operating. And then later they realized, oh, there's a racetrack here. But there are also many documented cases of lawsuits prior to COVID as well. Nothing in this legislation exempts a racetrack from compliance with state or federal environmental laws or health or safety regulations or from a claim based on physical damage or personal injury. This is bipartisan legislation that has passed both in Iowa and North Carolina, as my joint sponsor has told you, and we hope that it will find the same success here for the Buckeye State beginning here in the local government committee. At this time, we are happy to entertain any questions you might have.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Thank you, representatives. The chair recognizes Representative Stevens for a question.

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Good morning. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman. This is kind of a two-part question and it's more about the grandfather clause, but I can't have this bill be here and not make a Ricky Bobby reference. So this is kind of my, if you're not first, your last question. Does this only apply to racetracks who exist today so somebody can't come in and build a new racetrack and fall under this bill? And the second part of my question is, would this apply to county fairs and fairgrounds? Because if you've ever been to a tractor pull, it's just as loud as a racetrack. So really two questions in one. Thank you.

Gary Clickrepresentative

Through the chair to Representative Stevens, thank you for those questions. It would only apply to racetracks that are currently in operations today. Any new racetracks would have to be zone permitted and going forward have to comply with those rules and regulations. and I will have to get clarification. I do not believe that it would apply to fairs. So there's a possibility of that, but we can get clarification on that. That's actually a really good question.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Follow-up? Okay. Representative Smith?

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Thank you, Madam Chair, and I want to applaud you for bringing this bill to our attention. It is long overdue. I want to give you a little story. Molar Speedway, it's in Brown County. It's in an area that doesn't even have zoning. It's been there forever. It's a dirt trap. But the neighborhood grew into the facility, went to the judge and asked the judge to put a court order in, not allowing them to admit dirt into the air, have loud noises, et cetera. Kim Muller called me. This is about eight years ago, asked my advice. I got her in touch with a very good but very expensive attorney. and, of course, all of those rules were invalid. When a racetrack has been in existence for a long time, the neighbors should know that it is there, no different than an airport. So I applaud you for this because the Kim Mollers of the world live on the margin sometimes because of the ebb and flow of people going to the racetrack, and they shouldn't have the worry that they might be put out of business because somebody doesn't like the fact that they're there. Thank you so much.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Thank you, Representative Brennan.

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thanks for bringing the bill. It's interesting. I remember going out to Norwalk Raceway Track when I was a little boy. It's been a long time, and they had the jet cars, and they were really, really loud. And as I recall back then, it was surrounded by farmland. I don't know if that's changed. I haven't been out there in a long time. But what if maybe over the years these jet cars have gotten even louder, or what happens if they expand their operations? I mean, does this bill still apply in those types of cases as well?

Gary Clickrepresentative

Through the chair to Representative Brennan, the racetrack would still have to comply with any local permitting So any expansion would have to be permitted and scrutinized in that way So they would still have to be compliant

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Gotcha. Okay.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Follow-up?

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Proceed. Thank you. Are there any other industries that we have laws on the books like this, like for factories or for distribution centers or quarries or anything like that?

Gary Clickrepresentative

Through the chair to the representative. I am not certain of those laws, but I can certainly look. and get you that information?

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Are you aware of any?

Gary Clickrepresentative

I do believe that in agricultural situations for farms and so on, I believe that they are protected when neighbors move in. And we didn't realize we're going to have this smell or this noise or whatever this is. And, again, we think this is just common sense legislation. If you're moving in, you ought to know what you're moving into. Now, it's a whole other story that, as my colleague has addressed, is if they're trying to build a new racetrack or do something new that they haven't done, they still have to comply with all local ordinances. There are time frames and what time you can race and what time you can't and all of those things. And we're not trying to change any of those, but we're just adding an affirmative defense. If the racetrack was there first, you can't file a lawsuit. You shouldn't be able to. But listen, the Midwest is the hotbed of racing here in the Midwest. And we described in our testimonies what an economic impact this is on the state of Ohio. And if we want to be business friendly, we need to protect our businesses from frivolous lawsuits. And these would be frivolous lawsuits based on the fact that they should know what they're getting when they move into a neighborhood. Madam Chair, just a quick point.

Angela Kingrepresentative

If we could move on, please. Yeah, sure, no problem. Ranking Member Sims?

Veronica Simsrepresentative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for your testimony today. Just out of curiosity, are racetracks governed by any noise decimals of any kind?

Gary Clickrepresentative

I could not be very specific, but there are some laws regulating them, and we can dig into that a little bit further. Or we will have proponents who will come in who will have more of the details on that, but certainly there are times that are established, such as maybe no racing after midnight or things like that that already do exist, that do regulate the racetracks. Follow up?

Veronica Simsrepresentative

Yes, thank you. Just a different question. Just from what you've heard so far, do you anticipate that there will be a slew of civil defense bills coming forth as a result of this bill?

Gary Clickrepresentative

Through the chair, I'm not sure I understand the question.

Veronica Simsrepresentative

So do you anticipate there will be waves of bills and defensive bills to kind of counter what you're trying to do here?

Gary Clickrepresentative

Through the chair, I do not anticipate that.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Thomas.

David Thomasrepresentative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you all for the testimony. Representative Click, you must have been reading my brain. We have a spiritual connection. Common sense. Who's there first? If that racetrack has been there for whatever number of decades or whatever, and then you build a subdivision around it or move around it, you have to do your homework. That's basically common sense. So would you agree with me that the owners or whoever purchased property in that area you probably should have done some research or the realtor sold them, the property should have advised them that you're moving next to a racetrack.

Gary Clickrepresentative

Representative Thomas, I would agree with you that we have common sense.

David Thomasrepresentative

Okay. That's a good answer.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Are there any other questions? Thank you so much for being with us today. And this concludes the first hearing of House Bill 639. Thank you. Okay, now I'm going to call forward House Bill 92 for its eighth hearing and recognize

Matthew Kishmanrepresentative

Vice Chair Kishman for a motion. Madam Chair, I motion to amend House Bill 92 with AM underscore 1861.

Angela Kingrepresentative

The amendment is in order. Please proceed. This amendment removes the provision stating that none of the bill's municipal utility service provisions are to be constructed to prohibit a municipal corporation from discontinuing municipal utility service to a tenant who is in arrears 30 days or more. Are there any objections to the amendment? Hearing none, the amendment is adopted to the bill.

Matthew Kishmanrepresentative

I now recognize Vice Chair Kishman for another motion. Madam Chair, I motion to favor report the bill as amended and recommend its passage.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Will the clerk please call the roll? Chair King? Yes.

Matthew Kishmanrepresentative

Vice Chair Kishman? Yes.

Veronica Simsrepresentative

Ranking Member Sims? No.

Cindy Abramsrepresentative

Rep. Abrams? Yes.

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Representative Brennan? No.

Rodney Creechrepresentative

Representative Creech Yes

Jean Schmidtrepresentative

Representative Fowler-Arthur Yes

Gary Clickrepresentative

Representative Kloppenstein Yes

Meredith Lawson-Rowerepresentative

Representative Lawson-Rowe No

Ty Moorerepresentative

Representative Moore Yes

Jean Schmidtrepresentative

Representative Schmidt Yes

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Representative Stevens No

David Thomasrepresentative

Representative Thomas No

Angela Kingrepresentative

With eight affirmative and five negative votes, the House Bill 92 is favorably reported out of House Local Government Committee. We'll leave the roll open until noon today, and we'll ask LSE to please harmonize the bill. And this concludes the final hearing for House Bill 92. Number 8? Okay. I'd like to now call forward House Bill 653 for its third hearing. We have no in-person testimony today, but I would like members to draw attention to their iPad. We do have written testimony from Kristen Atha

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with Columbus Water and Power.

Angela Kingrepresentative

And this will conclude our third hearing. on House Bill 653. And I would like to now call forward House Bill 695 for its first hearing. We have Representatives Byrd and Stewart with us today.

Representative Byrdlegislator

Welcome, gentlemen.

Angela Kingrepresentative

The floor is yours. Awesome.

Representative Byrdlegislator

Thank you, Chairwoman King, Vice Chair Kishman, Ranking Member Sims, members of the committee. Happy to provide testimony on this bill. The proliferation of nondisclosure agreements signed by elected officials in Ohio seems to be growing. These agreements can create a sense of secrecy and mistrust. Elected officials should be transparent with their neighbors and constituents. Democracy is undermined when public awareness is delayed until after key decisions are finalized. And many communities' residents are left wondering what development is being planned and have no opportunity to provide input. If a project or impending deal to bring business into a local community is a net positive for that community, elected officials should make the case and sell it to the community. These agreements are often used in economic development to hide the identity of companies receiving public subsidies and allows developers to hide information while benefiting from public infrastructure and tax breaks. Of course, public officials should not disclose proprietary information when it has been shared with them in good faith. However, these nondisclosure agreements frequently extend well beyond that narrow protection, restricting disclosures of any discussion, negotiation, proposal, or counterproposal exchange between the parties. Chairwoman King and members of the committee, thank you. I turn it over to my joint sponsor.

Brian Stewartrepresentative

Chairwoman King, Vice Chair Kishman, Ranking Member Sims, thank you for allowing me also to give some testimony on House Bill 695. This is common sense legislation to prohibit certain elected officials locally from entering into nondisclosure agreements while acting in their official positions. Coerced secrecy sows distrust amongst our residents and violates the spirit of Ohio's open meetings laws and our public records laws. A nondisclosure agreement gags local elected officials from discussing, describing, or commenting on important matters related to their official duties. This is, thankfully, a fairly recent development. But it is bad policy, and we should draw a line in the stand against it now. As a Pickaway County Commissioner, I helped bring more than $2 billion of private investment to our county, including more than 1,500 good-paying manufacturing, logistics, and engineering jobs. And in 11 years as a local official, I never signed a nondisclosure agreement, and I never would. And that's because it's a recipe for distrust amongst our taxpayers, and it is harming our economic development efforts in the long run. In the absence of any true information being withheld through an NDA, community rumor mills are filling in the blanks with the worst-case scenarios. Stated another way, if the local township trustees can't tell the residents the new project is something positive, the secrecy convinces residents that it must be something negative. Signing NDAs is also simply unnecessary to compete and win projects in our state. Ohio's growing communities have thrived for years before NDAs became a factor. Residents do understand that competing for big projects may require some discretion from time to time, but that's a far cry from a legally enforceable gag order the moment that a company walks through the door. House Bill 695 is simple, straightforward, and essential to maintaining transparency amongst local elected officials and trust from the citizens that they represent. And we're happy to take any questions.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Any questions from Representative Brennan?

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Good morning, gentlemen. So do you think that this prohibition should also be extended to state agencies? So, for instance, Jobs Ohio?

Representative Byrdlegislator

Through the chair to the representatives, Jobs Ohio is not a state agency, and the entire point of forming Jobs Ohio was so that they could have some discussions with potential companies without devolving trade secrets, without telling all of our competing states every item of the deal points, and I support that. The difference, though, is nothing that Jobs Ohio does generally gets done without local officials taking a vote at some point for either a tax incentive, an abatement, and most of the mechanisms that ultimately have to get worked out are done by elected officials. And so they can continue to have those discussions, but I think that's what happens locally. The Economic Development Agency has discussions. They then bring those items to the local official, and then it becomes all public. I think the difference here is you have overzealous lawyers for some of these companies coming in and saying, well, let's just hit the easy button. Let's just get all these local officials to sign an NDA on day one. They can never talk about any aspect of the project. So I think that what we have done since JobsOhio was created in 2010 or 2011 has generally worked. The wrinkle that's been thrown in is now we're going to the local officials and saying, well, you can't talk about it at all, and I think that goes too far. Madam Chair, follow-up?

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Proceed. Thank you. But couldn't you make the argument that we have unelected bureaucrats making decisions, whereas your local elected officials are more accountable to their voters?

Representative Byrdlegislator

Through the chair to the representative, I think that's beyond the scope of the bill. If the bill was designed to talk about state agencies, that's what we would have put in there. We don't have an issue, I don't think, with a non-state agency having the discussions it has to win Intel, to win Andrel, to win a lot of big projects in this state. The concern locally is we have elected officials who are signing the ag orders, and that's what needs to stop.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Kloffenstein.

Gary Clickrepresentative

Gentlemen thank you for being here today Thank you Madam Chair Is this type of legislation or law in place in other states Through the chair to the representative, short answer is I don't know.

Representative Byrdlegislator

I've not heard of any state taking this step yet, but I also think it's important to point out, this is new. When you were a county commissioner, when I was a county commissioner, I was never asked to sign an NDA. Now, I was never – I wouldn't do it anyway for the reasons I laid out. But I have had, since we introduced this bill, a number of local officials call and say, well, I've got some concerns about that. They say, well, have you ever signed an NDA? Well, of course not. I said, would you ever sign an NDA? Well, of course not. Well, then what's the problem, right? So I think that we have been doing these deals and winning these projects for so long without NDAs that I think I'm really skeptical of the idea that suddenly they've become essential. I think you'll see more states, you know, if this practice proliferates, I think you'll see a lot of states come up with legislation like we have to try to nip this in the bud.

Gary Clickrepresentative

Follow-up? Just a quick follow-up, and I agree with everything you said. if other states could have put Ohio in a position of a competitive disadvantage if they say, hey, we can go to state X and we can keep it under wraps. I don't want to see Ohio at a competitive disadvantage, but I also agree we ought to share with the people.

Brian Stewartrepresentative

I'll take a stab at that one. Chair, Representative, I understand your concern about losing to other states, and certainly we don't want to do that, but this is good government. This is transparency, and it does put every community in Ohio on the same equal playing field. So sometimes you might hear somebody make the argument that, you know, Community X will, because of this, will lose out now to Community Y. Well, they're both playing with the same rule. And so I don't think it puts us at a competitive disadvantage to other states because of the great reasons that my joint sponsor mentioned regarding Jobs Ohio.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Thank you. Representative Stevens.

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Thank you, Chairman. Thank you. I had a question regarding how far down the chain of county administration or city administration that this would go. Obviously, as a county commissioner, I used to tell my economic development folks, if you don't want me to tell it, don't tell me because we're elected officials. We're going to share good news. But I personally never was asked to sign an NDA. We had a lot of development that went on. But let's say there's a county administrator. Does that touch them or a city manager or whatever position they may have? Thank you.

Representative Byrdlegislator

Through the chair to the representative, the text of the bill would not cover employees at this point. I think it is important to note that there are many, many different ways that communities handle economic development. But in many cases, there is either sort of a separate economic development office or in many cases, even sort of a private, public-private entity, kind of like Jobs Ohio locally. So we had Pickway Progress Partnership. It was not technically a county agency. but they knew that there was nothing they could negotiate that did not eventually have to come to the county commissioners. And so I think this is a good point of the tools that already exist, the processes that already exist, where a company may come and say, hey, we're looking at this site. It's X number of jobs. It's generally in this industry. And the Economic Development Office would come and say, hey, we have some interest in a Rickenbacker site. And it's called Project Gemini. And there would be some negotiations and discussions about what the project is. Do we even have the ability to serve it? All the sort of due diligence is happening. And until that deal is a little more ripe and a little more real, that may not come to the elected officials to discuss. And so that's where I think just normal discretion is already working without coming in and saying, if you are told that it's a Honda plant, you can't even mention it to a constituent. An extreme example of this is we had a – I won't name the county, but there was a county that was in the mix for a mega-site project. My understanding is they went to the state and said, this is a mega site project. We need help with the water line. We need help with the utilities. We need help getting the site served. And the executive branch of Ohio said, okay, great. What's the company? What do they do? And the answer was, we can't tell you. We all signed NDAs. And so I think that that is the extreme that we're trying to rein in here.

Sean Brennanrepresentative

Follow-up? Just to follow-up. So on the flip side of this, and I don't think it would, but I just want to make sure, if, say, you have a business come in, they meet with one county commissioner because of sunshine loss or whatever at a time, does that then require if somebody publicly asks a question, well, what is the name of the company? You know, they haven't signed an NDA. We know that we're doing, you know, they're probably doing a tax abatement is probably what's coming. does it require that county commissioner or that mayor, you know, kind of as a freedom of information or whatever to give that information out? Does it touch any of that and make any more requirements, even if you know something? Because a lot of times the county commissioner or mayor will know something, and the business development has said, please don't tell anybody. And as a general good business practice, you say, hey, something's coming, but I can't tell you. Will this require that disclosure?

Representative Byrdlegislator

Through the chair to the representative, no. This bill does not compel the elected official to say anything. And I do think that's an important distinction. This is where I talk about discretion. I think there's some misconceptions sometimes what our public records law says, because I would get that too. Well, our public records law and our open meetings law does not compel elected officials to say everything that they know. this bill would simply say you cannot voluntarily sign an agreement that legally gags you from saying things if you choose to I think most elected officials are going to have the discretion to say if I had a one-on-one conversation and somebody told me a deal point that's not quite ready to be shared with all the competitors then that commissioner doesn't have to share that information but I think when the situation we're running into is everybody knows something is happening on this site. Dirt's moving. Dirt's moving. Things are being applied for. Stakes are in the ground. And the community shows up at a township trustee meeting and says, what's happening? And the elected officials don't say, well, we're going to share that next week. They say, we can't tell you anything. We signed away our duties in violation of, I think, the spirit of our other laws.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Thank you. Representative Schmidt.

Jean Schmidtrepresentative

Thank you, Madam Chair. Looking over the bill, I noticed that cities themselves may not be governed by this. My question is this. You may have a township of 50,000 people located next to a city of 8,000 people. While I have a problem with non-disclosure agreements in general, wouldn't you be then handicapping the township that looks and acts like a city from getting a business in simply because they can't have a non-declosure agreement, whereas the city could attract that same business, and I'm not talking a megacide, I'm just talking a business, because they can offer that opportunity. Through the chair to the representative.

Representative Byrdlegislator

the exclusion of cities was generally to avoid one more home rule fight in the state. I understand the point of you do have some larger townships that sort of look, talk, and act like a city, but they're not. And so townships don't have home rule, generally. Cities and villages do. There may be a few home rule townships. I know there's some intricacies there. But generally speaking, townships don't have home rule. Villages and cities do. You will notice we do have villages in here, however. That is the thought process is cities generally have a law director, an elected official, a legal counsel that is always there. A lot of our smaller villages, they may not, right? And so I think that kind of trying to split the difference a little bit, avoid some home rule friction while, you know, accounting for the fact that you do have – where this is most prevalent, I think, right now is in some of these villages that are probably underserved from a legal representation standpoint. Somebody comes in and says, we can't talk to you until you sign this paper. And they don't have a solicitor. They don't have somebody on site. And so they say, well, yep, we'll do that. I think that's what we're trying to avoid. But there is just legally a difference between townships and cities generally, and I think we want this to be as expansive as we can legally make it.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Ranking Member Sims?

Jean Schmidtrepresentative

Oh, I had a follow-up. I'm sorry. Thank you.

Representative Byrdlegislator

I recognize your argument, except that there are townships that do have home rule, that do have a law director, that do have a police department, a fire department, et cetera. If you look at the district I represent, I have two of the largest townships in the state of Ohio. Both of them have home rule, and they're also designated as an urban township. So would you be opening up to a court question that you're excluding cities because you're presuming they have home rule, but then looking at townships that have home rule and saying you can't do this even though you do? Through the chair to the representative, I think our inclination would be more to loop in those cities than to exclude those townships. But certainly if making the two consistent is something we need to do as part of this process, we're open to that. But I think we want this to be as expansive as legally possible. Thank you.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Ranking Member Sims.

Veronica Simsrepresentative

Thank you. Thank you for your testimony today. This is probably a two-part quick question. And in most occasions, are NDAs used for economic development majority of the time? Secondly, for those communities that have those NDAs, are those a matter of record, and where do you find those?

Representative Byrdlegislator

Yeah, this is something that's become pertinent. I'm sorry, Chair, Representative, this has become important in my community because there is a proliferation of them, and the use of them hides the ability for government to be transparent to its community. And I think it's important that, as government, we be transparent with them. And if you've got an economic development department or director, they can handle some of these things. But it's a very poor look for elected officials to look at their neighbor, look at their constituent, and say, I cannot tell you because they signed a nondisclosure agreement.

Veronica Simsrepresentative

Follow-up? Yeah, I'm going to ask the – I was asking, again, are they typically used for economic development projects? Secondarily, where are those nondisclosure agreements housed? How would someone know they exist?

Representative Byrdlegislator

Through the chair to the representative, I think generally right now NDAs are mostly used in what folks would say is an economic development context. However, if you give the mouse a cookie, he's going to want a glass of milk. And I think that if you allow NDAs to be used for the good projects, it's not hard to imagine they might start to be used in other contexts, like employment disputes, like lawsuits, like disputes between elected officials. I mean there a whole host of scenarios in which signing a gag order would be convenient for other folks but not the taxpayers So I think that is another reason why halting this practice makes good sense As for where they stored I not seen litigation yet on well I signed a gag order, but is that a public record? I think it certainly would be. I mean, that would be my argument. I think it certainly is a public record, and you should probably be able to request it. I don't know that it's going to tell you a ton, although, I mean, if you're signing a gag order to prevent yourself from being able to say that the applicant for a job creation project is Honda, well, then it makes a little – I'm sure some of those communities would try to block the release of a nondisclosure agreement if it identifies Honda as the recipient because it would defeat the purpose. So, again, I think these are thorny issues that present themselves only because, largely within the last five years, we've started to go down a road here that we didn't used to go down.

Veronica Simsrepresentative

Thank you.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Representative Byrdlegislator

Thank you.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Lawson-Roll.

Meredith Lawson-Rowerepresentative

Thank you, Chair. Thank you, representatives, for your testimony today. I've had the opportunity to serve locally as a councilwoman for a ward as well as a council president. So one of my questions you've already answered in terms of local leaders. I'd like to dig a little deeper, if I may, please, in terms of can you share even more examples of those local officials using NDAs? And we know that some may have been used primarily for economic development. Are there other examples or are there examples of stories that you can share regarding folks that have brought this idea to you?

Representative Byrdlegislator

Chair, Representative, there is a growing trend, And I think companies and or their developing partners have well-paid lawyers, well-paid legal teams that are coming to small-town Ohio right now. And they're going to a variety of elected officials and saying, we might consider you, we might develop here, we might grow here, but you have to sign a nondisclosure agreement first. And that to me is not good government. And I think that if a community thinks that a certain development project is going to be a net positive for that community, then they should be able to sell and make that case to their community and talk about what its impact is going to be on taxes, what the impact is going to be on jobs, what the impact is going to be on infrastructure. And if that project is able to be good for the community, they should be able to sell that. Now, maybe there will be some opposition. Maybe there will be some people upset about that. But in my experience back home, people are more upset about the nondisclosure agreement and the lack of transparency than they are upset about the potential development.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Proceed.

Meredith Lawson-Rowerepresentative

Is there a specific example that you could share with us, particularly for those that are at home watching? Just for clarification, thank you.

Representative Byrdlegislator

Through the chair to the representative, if there's proponent and opponent hearings, you will hear from multiple people in these individual communities that want to come in and give examples of where they've been upset about their locals. We're not going to call out specific counties and elected officials as part of our sponsor testimony. I'm sure if we have other hearings folks will provide you many many examples of where this has been an issue

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Creech

Rodney Creechrepresentative

Through the chair thank you for being here thank you for this legislation I guess my question is what changed you know you talk about when we were commissioning I mean we always knew about projects and if you talk about these projects you're going to lose them so we didn't talk about them so you know we're still transparent but we didn't have a gun to our head if you will What's changed in the landscape for these to come about?

Representative Byrdlegislator

Through the chair to the representative, I think that some of it is just opportunity. You know, the window kind of moves as development happens. And I don't even think some of the requests to sign an NDA are necessarily intending to be nefarious. I'll pick on lawyers because I am one. There is just a certain amount of CYA, right? And if you can go in and you can get extra protections for your client, give it a shot. Now, I took a tour of a facility in my district a couple weeks ago, and, you know, high-tech facility. and as part of the check-in procedure, there was the long list of, here's what you're agreeing to to come into our facility. And one of them said, I agree to a nondisclosure agreement. And I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I just introduced a bill to say the elected officials shouldn't sign NDAs, so I'm not going to sign this. Now, I understand if you choose to not let me take the tour, no hard feelings, but I'm not going to sign this. And they said, oh, no, no, don't worry about that at all. No, no, no, come on in. It becomes just a part of the typical lawyering due diligence, I think, for some of these companies. And that's where I think if we give the elected officials the ability to say, well, legally, no, I can't do that, I think that's going to cut out a lot of the requests. Now, I also think Ohio's kind of been – in 2012 when I became a commissioner, the unemployment rate in Pickway County was 13.3%. It's now 3%. And so I think some of our communities were a little hungrier for development deals maybe back when there's not enough jobs to go around. And I think part of it's a good thing. We can afford to be a little pickier now. And so I think the residents are a little more – want a little more scrutiny of some of these deals than maybe they did 15 years ago. And so I think that with added public scrutiny, which we should be able to withstand in these deals, I think companies get a little leery and say we don't like that folks are talking about whether this is a good idea or not on Facebook. Well, you know, that's part of democracy. So I think that we are continuing to win deals without NDAs, and we shouldn't feel compelled to chase a problem that I think does not exist.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Representative Thomas, do you have a follow-up?

David Thomasrepresentative

Yes.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Go ahead.

David Thomasrepresentative

I'm sorry. Thank you, Madam Chair. And both of you, thank you for your testimony. I do understand the spirit of what you're attempting to accomplish. But oftentimes when we try to fix something in a specific part of our state that affects maybe somebody in your district, that law has an impact on the entire state. So oftentimes it's probably maybe a good idea to have some interested parties meetings and try to come to some type of resolution simply because one size just does not always fit all. And in this particular case, you've got various municipalities, various townships, all of those have their own. And this bill could have a different impact based on their structure. So would you probably be open to maybe having those interested parties meetings and try to bring some understanding so that sort of show how it won't affect everybody in the same way in the entire state.

Representative Byrdlegislator

Thank you. Chair, Representative, I had the interested party meeting at a village council meeting a couple of weeks ago, and I've heard from constituents. And so will we continue to work our bill? Will we continue to listen? Will we continue to work with constituents and members of the state of Ohio? Of course we will. We'll continue to have IP meetings, but I can tell you the IP meetings are occurring all over the state of Ohio on Facebook and in a wide variety of public forums. And so those are happening. And I can tell you from my experience, maybe not everyone's experience in this room, Ohioans have spoken on this issue, and they are desperately in favor of this bill.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Okay.

Representative Byrdlegislator

And I would add, certainly we have discussed this bill before introducing it with most of the local government groups and a lot of the economic development groups to give people a heads up. I would just disagree with the idea, though, that signing NDAs might be okay in Wapakoneta, but it's not okay in Athens or vice versa. I mean, I think we set state policy here, and I think it's reasonable to say that a state policy, whether you're a big county, little county, or anything in between, is you don't sign gag orders. Thank you.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Are there any other questions from members of the committee? Representative Schmidt?

Jean Schmidtrepresentative

Thank you. And thank you. I would like to – thank you, Madam Chair. I'd like to clarify one thing. Recently, I toured a facility in my district that has a partnership with the government to make weapons. And in touring it, I had to sign an agreement that I would not disclose anything that I saw or take pictures or those kinds of things. This is not the first time in my life that I've had to do that. Would I now be prohibited from doing that? I mean, they're not asking for a zoning change or an expansion. They were already there.

Representative Byrdlegislator

Through the chair to the representative. No, I don't believe so. But if we need to make the clarification that you can't violate federal law by disclosing military secrets, we can do that. I think this is more geared towards not disclosing, not being able to sign nondisclosure agreements about deal points of potential deals.

Jean Schmidtrepresentative

Yeah.

Representative Byrdlegislator

Bob? So I think your intent is this is something new that's coming into the facility and into the region. And so signing a nondisclosure agreement before you go through the permitting processes of zoning and those kind of things is what I think you're after. You're not after an existing project that's already there that somebody wants to have you tour that may have sensitive things, maybe it's not government, but unfair competition to somebody else. I don't think you're getting into that weed. I think you're looking at coming into a region, building something new, needing all those permitting, but not showing the public that it's coming until after all of the seeds have been planted. Through the chair, to the representative, I think that is what is driving the bill. If we need any carve-outs or caveats to say, you know, we're not trying to say elected officials go share the trade secrets of businesses in your district already. That's not what we're talking about. But I do think elected officials should think carefully about what rights they sign away in the course of their official duties. I mean, if I tour a facility in my district and it turns out I come to be aware that we had an economic development deal that says they have 1,000 employees and we walk in the building and nobody's there, no, I don't think I should be bound by an NDA to say I can't do my job and go after and make sure that they're fulfilling the terms of their agreements. So I think everybody should be careful as an elected official to what degree you agree to subordinate your elected authority to the fine print of a company's bullier docs. Chair, if I could add to that. Chair, Representative, this is not trying to take away from your ability to tour something locally, and this is not about that at all. But if this committee needs more specific language, I think we'd be willing to listen and work with this committee to improve the bill if that's what is necessary. Thank you.

Angela Kingrepresentative

Are there any other questions? Seeing no further questions, this concludes the first hearing of House Bill 695. And seeing no further business before the committee, the House local government is hereby adjourned. Thank you.

Source: Ohio House Local Government Committee - 3-11-2026 · March 11, 2026 · Gavelin.ai