June 2, 2026 · Medicaid Committee · 5,268 words · 5 speakers · 76 segments
Medicaid Committee to order. Would the clerk please take the roll?
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Thank you. The minutes from the previous meeting are on your iPad. Are there any changes? Any objections? Seeing none, the minutes are approved. Today we are holding the second hearing on Senate Bill 387. Our first testimony, we would like to invite Willa from Bluestone. Oh, yes. I almost said somebody else's name. Sorry. Please proceed when you're ready.
Thank you so much. Chair Romanchuk, Vice Chair Huffman, Ranking Member Liston, members of the Senate Medicaid Committee, thank you so much for this opportunity to testify in support of Senate Bill 387. My name is Willa Bluestone. I'm here on behalf of Ohio Life Sciences Association. We represent Ohio's thriving life sciences ecosystem, including our biotechnology, biopharmaceutical, medical device, medical technology, diagnostics, research, and advanced biomanufacturing organizations across the state. Senate Bill 387 would help to expand access to precision medicine tools that can improve patient access, access to patient care, reduce unnecessary medication trial and error, and support more informed prescribing decisions for Ohio Medicaid patients, especially those who are experiencing depression and anxiety. Pharmacogenomic, or PGX, testing evaluates how an individual's genetics impacts the way that they metabolize or respond to certain medications. For many patients, especially those who struggle with mental health conditions, finding the right medication can be a long, very arduous journey, involving multiple prescriptions, dosage changes, side effects, and delays in achieving the desired stability. A 2022 study published recently in the Journal of American Medical Association showed that the initial antidepressant remission rate is only about 30% with first-line treatment, so about 70% of individuals, more than 70% in fact, have to try additional medications to, again, achieve that desired relief from symptoms. We're very thankful for Senator Blessing's leadership on this and also the thoughtful and targeted approach that this bill takes. The guardrails that the bill sets up for prior authorizations for the MCOs allows those PAs, but requires that while they're established they have to show a clear path to treatment for individuals. As Ohio continues to strengthen its leadership in healthcare innovation, biotechnology and precision medicine, policies like Senate Bill 387 help to ensure that patients can benefit from the advances that are already being integrated into clinical care across the country. This legislation is ultimately about improving outcomes for Ohioans, those living with mental health conditions, and supporting our clinicians with additional evidence-based tools to make informed treatment decisions, all of which comes with significant cost savings. So Chairman Romanchuk, members of the committee, thank you for this opportunity. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
Thank you for your testimony. Are there any questions? Senator Liston.
Thank you, Chairman. Thank you, Ms. Bluestone, for your testimony. I feel like this is one of these areas where there's been some changing technology as tests get better. but certainly at the beginning it wasn't clear that these tests would impact treatment decisions or outcomes. Obviously science is always moving forward. So I guess are you able to talk about sort of where things stand on these tests? And if not you, I know there's others, but then do you know what other states are doing with this? can you give sort of the big picture context on the mental health treatment genome testing type picture?
Yeah, through the chair to Senator Liston, happy to. A number of other states are looking into or pursuing legislation similar to this. I would maybe defer the questions regarding the actual scientifics behind this testing to the actual scientists and not myself, but happy to follow up with a more detailed list of what our states are doing through the chair's office.
Great. Thank you.
Anything further? Seeing none, thank you for your testimony. The committee now would like to call Chris McDonald, Dr. Renee Albers, and Amanda Anglin.
Do you have separate testimony, each of you?
Just so you go as a group and then you answer questions as a group. Perfect. Proceed when you're ready.
Chairman Romanchuk, Vice Chair Huffman, Ranking Member Liston, and the rest of the Senate Medicaid Committee. My name is Chris McDonald. I am here this morning on behalf of Myriad Genetics in support of Senate Bill 387. With me this morning, Dr. Renee Albers, my colleagues, PhD in Biomedical Sciences, and our Senior Medical Information Liaison. Also, Amanda Anglin, our licensed genetic counselor and medical policy manager. Excellent resources and experts in topics of discussion this morning. And we'll talk a little bit more about Mary Genetics. Mary Genetics is a leader in precision medicine testing in the realms of cancer, women's health, and mental health. The GeneSight test was developed right here in Ohio. Our lab is in Mason, Ohio, where we employ nearly 300 Ohioans. The GeneSight test came to be from collaboration between Cincinnati Children's Hospital and Investment Through Jobs Ohio. Now, the GeneSight test is a once-in-a-lifetime pharmacogenomic test that is ordered through a licensed clinician that also helps predict a patient's genetic makeup and helps us predict response to psychiatric medications. Additionally, clinicians receive the GeneSight report, and it helps them make more informed treatment decisions. And the evidence is compelling. A meta-analysis with high-level 1 evidence shows that clinicians with the access to the gene site test have a 41% greater likelihood of their patients receiving or achieving remission in depression compared to standard of care. Also, in the prime care trial, which was conducted by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, which was the largest pharmacogenomics study done to date in mental health, showed that those patients also had a statistically significant improvement in remission for depression, also in standard of care. And then in terms of economic utility, there's been independent economic analyses that show that the Genesight test can save patients up to $1,200 per patient per year, after the test is conducted. And then lastly, Medicare has been covering Genesight for almost a decade, and it's been found to meet clinical utility as a reasonable and necessary benefit. So why is this bill necessary? Since April of 2023, Genesight has been priced and listed on the Ohio Medicaid fee-for-service schedule, meaning ODM has determined it as a covered service. Under Ohio law, managed Medicare organizations are required to provide a meaningful pathway to coverage for services on that schedule. ODM confirmed this writing in February of 2024, stating that MCOs are, quote, required to perform an individual analysis of medical necessity for each request, end quote, and must, quote, offer a potential pathway to coverage, end quote. So what has actually happened? Over the past two years, Myriad has submitted roughly 5,000 claims to Ohio managed MCOs. The number of claims approved, zero, 100% denial. That's not an individual medical necessity review. It's a blanket exclusion dressed up in the language of clinical judgment. And when Myriad did exactly what ODM advised, filed appeals, the response from at least one MCO was to terminate our contract, not just for Genesight, but for all the molecular tests that Myriad covers, including tests in oncology and women's health. Senators, this is what happens when there are no guardrails. A company follows ODM guidance, exercises its legal right to appeal, and an MCO responds by threatening to cut off thousands of Ohio Medicaid patients from cancer and women's health testing, too. So the chilling effect on other providers should concern members of this committee, especially giving the exponential rise in depression and anxiety diagnoses over the last five to seven years. Now, we understand the need for preauthorization and for determining medical necessity, but 5,000 denials without a single approval is not clinical review. It policy We also understand the focus and concern regarding cost This is a one patient test that reduces downstream Medicaid costs through fewer hospitalizations fewer ER visits, and fewer failed medication trial and error cycles that cost the system more time and more money that then should take the patients back to the community where they're working, productive, and hopefully thriving. Blanket denials is the expensive choice. Senate Bill 387 does not create a new entitlement. It enforces an obligation that already exists under Ohio law, that MCOs conduct genuine, individualized reviews and provide a real pathway to coverage for services ODM has already approved. It closes the loophole and it protects providers who are following the rules. Pharmacogenomic testing is covered under Medicare. It is covered under Ohio's own fee-for-service program, while denying coverage to Ohioans enrolled in Medicaid-managed care, often the most vulnerable patients in the state. We urge this committee to pass Senate Bill 387 and close that gap. Sincerely, we appreciate the invitation. We thank you for your time, and we do encourage questions, please.
Thank you. So you're done, completely done with testimony?
Yes.
Okay, very good. Senator Liston.
Thank you, Chairman. Yeah, I appreciate you guys coming in. I wanted to, I guess, get more details on some of the usage, because I think that there's specifics on which conditions this has the best evidence for. Are you able to talk a little bit about that? and then what that relates to the current claims and denials? It's my understanding that it's major depressive disorder, but maybe not some of the other mental health diagnoses that has the best evidence.
Yeah, thank you for that question, Senator DeListon. I would say the most studied condition would be depressive disorder. There are several of the studies where patients had comorbid conditions. For instance, the VA study, there were patients with comorbid PTSD quite frequently. There were, I believe it was more than 30% of that patient population had PTSD. And then additionally, there were several with treatment, they called it treatment of refractory depression, similar to treatment-resistant depression definition based on their study. And so there's a lot of comorbid conditions, but usually in most of the studies, primary diagnosis is depression. Anxiety obviously coincides with depression quite frequently, so we do see that in a lot of the studies we have both depression and anxiety most frequently, and that's, I believe, in the bill there is a call-out with depression and anxiety, which makes sense based on the largest amount of data in those conditions. However, those aren't the only conditions that the test might be useful for. There are a variety of medications on the report, including antidepressants, anxiolytics and hypnotics, antipsychotics, medications for treatment of tardive dyskinesia, ADHD medications, and mood stabilizers. So I don't know how the most of the data, I would say, sits with a primary diagnosis of depression. However, there is data for those other medications as well.
Philip, sure. I have a couple of question lines. But when you look at the 5,000 denials, are they, I mean, again, following the data would say major depressive disorder is the most useful. Do we know if the denials are submitted just for that? Or, you know, what's the breadth of use based on the claims that you're seeing?
Hi, good morning. Thank you, Senator Liston, for your question. So I don't have an exact number of the 5,000 that had major depressive disorder as the primary diagnosis. However, when we see claims come in and tests come in, typically for the bulk of them, as Dr. Albers suggested, the primary diagnosis, or at least one of the diagnoses, is major depressive disorder. Another important data point, I believe, is the Medicare coverage. So Medicare does not limit the diagnoses to just depression or anxiety. There is a list of conditions, including schizophrenia and others. And so we typically see tests come in, again, most often for depression, but we see those aligning oftentimes with the other diagnoses that are covered by Medicare. Senator Liston, I'll add, we're happy to dive in and get your specific answer to those claims afterwards if you'd like.
I have a couple more lines of questions, but if you want to circle back around.
Senator Wilson.
Thank you. So let me get this straight. and I know when you get into the mental health things, it can be a nebulous area. But what's not a nebulous area is cancer. So a doctor sees a patient, Medicaid patient, let's say, and determines that that Medicaid patient has cancer and that medical practice would say, treat that cancer as quickly as you can. We've discovered it, so we've got to treat it. But they've got to know the best way to treat it, and they know that you exist, and they know that for Medicaid, for Medicare, you are a place they can go to do this genetics testing to say to them, the best treatment for this particular patient, given their genetic makeup, is X. So when you get that request and you have the pre-authorization to do it, it is incumbent on you to do that immediately. If you don't react immediately to that doctor's request, you're delaying that treatment, correct?
Correct.
So you do the test, and you send back to them, the best way to treat this is chemotherapy followed by radiation or whatever it comes out to be. And 100% of those have been denied?
The denials are on the mental health gene site side.
Okay. Outside of the oncology. So they have been approving what I just described?
Mostly, if they meet medical necessity, Senator Wilson.
Yes. Thank you.
Senator Liston.
Thank you, Chairman. So I guess as I look at this particular test in mental health, I'm not seeing that there are major provider organizations or professional groups that recommend this as part of standard of care. Can you talk a little bit about it? I don't see psychiatrists or other mental health providers saying, hey, this is a test that should be done routinely. So am I wrong? Am I missing ones? Can you talk about where that stands and how that relates to this legislation and medical necessity determinations?
Thank you for that question, Senator Liston. In relation to major organizations, I think some of them are still learning about it. we do have lots of psychiatrists that currently order the test, support ordering the test, as well as in primary care, we have a lot of primary care physicians ordering the test as well. In terms of statements and support, use the test, standard of care, there are some organizations that recognize that pharmacogenomics can be helpful. There's particularly an organization called CPIC. It's the Clinical Pharmacogenomics Implementation Consortium, and what they do is write guidelines around implementing pharmacogenomic testing into practice. And so when Amanda was referencing Medicare, they actually, Medicare recognizes that CPIC organization and and the guidelines they've written. Some of those medications are mental health type medications that they have those guidelines written around Additionally there FDA label information and the FDA has made their own table of pharmacogenomic associations where they recognize that these specific gene variations are associated with let say metabolism or risk of side effects or likelihood of response to certain medications. So I would say there is recognition. It depends on where we're at to see that recognition. Clearly, the FDA and CPIC are two large organizations that recognize the benefit there.
Senator Liston. Thank you. So a follow-up, certainly as we think about pharmacogenomic testing and saying, hey, there's some genes that seem best predictive, that to me sort of begs the question about the tests that are in the panels, right? Because you guys, Myriad, you know, have a pretty big market share, I think, in this space. But there are other companies that also make soda genomic testing. It's my understanding they're pretty variable. Are we able to speak to the consistency in what people might be ordering or what this bill might address in terms of, like, does this bill pay for any pharmacogenetics testing that might have mental health implications? Could the tests change? We might know the cost now, but if it's expanded with or without evidence, is this bill obligating Medicaid to then cover those variables as well?
It's a fair question, and I think going back to the purpose of the bill, it is to require MCOs to cover tests that are covered by the state fee-for-service program. Our gene site test has what's called a PLA code. It's a proprietary lab analysis code, which is unique to our test. It's 0-345-U. And so our particular test is on the state fee-for-service fee schedule as a covered test. So not all pharmacogenomic tests may be approved by the state or on the state fee schedule for coverage. Similarly for Medicare. So our Medicare coverage goes back over 10 years, and that's specific to the 0-3-4-5-U PLA code that is unique to the gene site test. So again, it's not sort of a broad catch-all. It's this specific test that has gone through the Moldex technical assessment program through Medicare, has proven its analytical validity, clinical validity, and clinical utility to the satisfaction of both Medicare and then again the state fee-for-service program. So really the goal of the bill is to get the MCOs to provide coverage for the tests that the state has already deemed appropriate, useful, and covered.
Thank you. That was very helpful. I appreciate it.
Senator Liston, I'll add one additional piece of context and color in terms of you had mentioned previously that the organizations, there are no official guidelines recommending the PGX test out there in the landscape, similar to oncology tests where there are guidelines that Senator Wilson had mentioned earlier. That said, to date, over the last 10 years, we've had nine plus studies that show how effective gene site can be in terms of entry criteria with these studies. meaning patients have not done well on at least one medication, and they have moderate to severe depression. And unequivocally, we're able to predict the medications that are most problematic for that patient population, and that we do know definitively 40 to 50 percent of those patients will get better just by having a test like GeneSight done if they have those entry criteria. So we are up against guidelines that aren't out there recommending this. However, given the entry criteria and some of the economic utility studies, this should be something that's a net positive in terms of downstream impact. Moreover, the reimbursement landscape that we're currently in has done nothing but deteriorate in my 12 years in the industry. Meaning, so the unintended consequences are we have fewer companies in the genetic testing space than we did 12 years ago. That's a net negative because we have fewer dollars now being associated to these types of tests and research. So this business model, where reimbursements are slim to none, will most likely continue to exacerbate the capital markets that we're looking at today in terms of these bigger companies.
Senator Huffman.
Thank you. Exactly what is your test approved for by the FDA? Do you have to have depression, post-traumatic stress, or what's it approved for?
Yeah, so there is an FDA approval for the test. It falls under a lab-developed test, which recently was determined that the FDA doesn't have, like, specific coverage for, like, in that realm. So there's not, like, an FDA approval that the test goes through, similar to medications. But there is recognition, like I was saying, that FDA table of pharmacogenomics, they don't do it by specific condition. They do it by medication and gene association.
Okay. So it's an approved test, but if I order it because of schizophrenia, should the MCO pay for it? Because it's a depression test, and I don't see anything that that would go through the prior office, and we're trying to circumvent the prior office and get rid of that in this bill. So I don't understand that, if you can help me.
Sure, absolutely. Thank you for the question, Vice Chair Huffman. In that scenario, when you have indications that are not underscored by the clinical studies, most likely those would not be covered, and it would be no different than what we're doing today. These 5,000 claims that we had mentioned earlier, those test results are still being reported out, and clinicians and patients are still receiving benefit from those types of tests. So to answer your question directly, anything that potentially is outside of evidence-based data that we've collected over the last decade is likely won't be reimbursed to these types of companies. Nevertheless, the trend is that those reports will still be generated and clinicians and patients can still benefit from.
Where does it say that in the bill? Because it says it'll be paid. It doesn't say it does away with the prior auth. I don't see any place in the bill where it says they can still have their reasoning behind prior authorization.
Thank you so much, Senator Huffman, for the question, and I hope I'm understanding correctly. So earlier I mentioned that Medicare has a longer list of conditions for which gene site would be considered medically necessary and appropriate. However, in the bill itself, one of the goals of the bill is to provide some guardrails and guidance around what the MCO would have to pay for. So in here, under Section 1, Part B, 1, the pharmacogenomic testing is ordered by a treating prescriber of a Medicaid enrollee who has been diagnosed with depression or anxiety.
Okay. So it could only be that. It says here, if I may, Chair, I lost it. It's approved by regional Medicare. What's that mean? Do some regions pay for it and some regions don't? I didn't understand that. I'll find it if you.
No, thank you so much for the question. So the way the Medicare program works is there are national coverage determinations, or NCDs, which are essentially like medical policies that provide medical necessity criteria for certain tests. Laboratory testing oftentimes are covered by LCDs, local coverage determinations, and each MAC, Medicare Administrative Contractor, writes its own policies around what tests it's going to cover and what it won't. Ohio falls into the CGS MAC, which is part of the Moldex program. So us in Ohio, us Ohioans, we are in the CGS region. And so Moldex, the Moldex program established by Palmetto, is who writes our coverage determinations. So Genesight is covered under an LCD.
How many of those are there in the country? Do you know? I'm just so so my point is is is it would be covered in Ohio but maybe not in Indiana
maybe no other you know other state but because Palmando has agreed to it in Ohio we would be required the way that laboratory testing works is it goes to the LCD where the laboratory resides So GeneCite is a sole source proprietary test offered by Myriad Genetics Our laboratory is in Mason Ohio Therefore all of the tests that are processed by Myriad at its GeneSight facility would be subject to the CGS LCD which is a Moldex LCD Okay.
One more real quick. Sure. Isn't this a biomarker bill? I mean, we have a big biomarker bill that we've been talking about from multiple general assemblies because this test is a biomarker test, and we have not been able to come to a conclusion on that bill either.
Thank you for the question, Senator Huffman. I would not call this a biomarker bill. GeneCite is a biomarker test by definition and meets the definitions in most laws written for the coverage of biomarker tests. I don't think we need to sort of establish that the Medicaid program has already deemed this necessary. So, again, our goal isn't to get coverage of GeneCite. It's simply to enforce that the MCOs provide equivalent access to the patients who are enrolled in MCOs that the current fee-for-service program members have.
Currently, we see a significant disparity. Okay, so quick questions. So you're no longer contracted with one of the MCOs. Are you still contracted with the other six?
The majority of them, yes.
The majority of them, okay. And may I expand on that?
So back to Senator Wilson, you had asked about oncology testing. So while we don't offer oncology pharmacogenomic testing, the consequence of us following the procedures established for appealing the gene site tests was that then one large MCO in Ohio terminated our contract. Thus, we were not able to provide oncology services, genetic services, or women's health services to members who have that particular MCO plan. And so, again, while they're not oncology pharmacogenomic tests, it did hinder our ability to provide oncology genetic testing to those members.
So as you know, the state made a decision several decades ago to what I call contract out Medicaid services to private insurance companies. We call those MCOs. And as part of those MCOs, we've given them some leeway to control cost and make sure things are only being paid for that are medically necessary. Have you presented all your studies and everything you've said today to all these MCOs, including the one you're no longer contracted with?
To the extent that we have been able to, yes. We also, the typical process that we are instructed to follow is the appeals process. So that is our right as a provider to file grievance. We do it through the appeals process. We have received appeals responses that have indicated that certain MCOs do not consider the testing medically necessary in any scenario. So again, I think when Chris says this is a policy, unfortunately, again, if something is deemed not medically necessary in every circumstance, then there's not a pathway to provide equitable access to what the fee-for-service program offers.
So I think what I just heard is some of the MCOs don't see the value of the testing per se. They don't see the medical necessity, and that's why they're not proving your claims and or maybe in one case contracting with you. Is that a fair statement or is that not correct?
I would say contracting is separate. So we're mostly contracted with the MCOs, and our goal through this legislation is not to force contracting. That's up to the individual MCO whether they contract with us or not, but rather to provide a pathway by which tests are considered medically necessary, such that zero out of 5,000 claims. That's a pretty definitive data point.
Well, let's bring that up if we could on the 5,000 claims. Did you have a pre-auth on all 5,000 of those claims?
I imagine we did not attempt pre-authorization on all of them, but I would have to get back to you to be sure.
If an MCO requires pre-auth, you have to go through the process, correct?
Correct.
If you don't, you run the risk of not getting paid.
Correct.
Okay, so in the future, for all the MCOs, you have to go through the PA.
Correct.
They're there for a reason. We as a state expect those to be followed and exercised accordingly.
Correct.
And I may have, if I may, this is my first time doing this,
I may have bespoken because I know that for any that we appealed, certainly we did attempt prior authorization, and I can get the exact number of those on which we have attempted prior authorization, submitted claims, and then filed appeals.
Send those to us, if you could, to my office, and I'll distribute them. Okay. Why is the PA process that's outlined in the bill different than the PA process we used with other drugs for all the MCOs?
In what way would you say that it's different?
Well, let me read you what I'm seeing here. Prior authorization requirements must also require only a minimum amount of documentation from a treating prescriber that is necessary to confirm the testing is medically necessary. Then it goes on to say, related to prior authorization requirements, the bill provides that a laboratory test requisition form is considered part of the medical record, and only in instances where a requisition form is missing information should additional clinical notes or medical records be required. We don't do that with any of the other MCOs for any of the other drugs that I am aware of. Why should we do it for this particular drug?
Sure. So I think in all instances it is helpful for the clinician and the patient not to put undue burden on the ordering provider. And HIPAA, in general, instructs us to obtain the minimum necessary in order to, whether it's approve a test or whether it's to run a test. And what we have seen in some of the appeals responses is a request for additional documentation beyond what is considered reasonable and necessary. So the language in the bill attempts to provide reasonable guardrails around what an MCO might require to establish medical necessity. So we don't disagree that there should be information provided by the ordering clinician that establishes the medical necessity of the test, the reasons why they've ordered the test, the patient's condition for which they're ordering it, and how they might use the results. all of that information when submitted to the MCOs has still been deemed insufficient, which seems like an undue burden.
Yes, Senator Huffman. Real quick, kind of the bigger picture. Probably a week doesn't go by that I don't get a letter or a communication with somebody in the medical field that says, you need to make this MCO pay for my service. Are we not going down a slippery slope to carve this out for one provider and then another provider and another provider for us to make the decisions for the MCOs and for Medicaid because they feel that they were wronged? Everybody will be coming with a bill to force us to – I mean, I got a new one today. They're mad that their service isn't getting provided. So aren't we going down a slippery slope with this?
It's a fair question, and I don't know if I'm allowed to pose a question back, but I think what then is a laboratory to do if we are providing testing for patients in a critical disease state of mental health where the clinician, again, has deemed something medically necessary, the state says that it should be covered, and we have followed all of the processes outlined in terms of grievance and we have been punished, perhaps, by getting our contract terminated. So I think it's, I hear the question, but also what then, on the other side, and this may be back to you, what then should we do if we've exhausted our rights as a provider and we're still not seeing payment for any of the tests that are being ordered? No, I understand.
I mean, you know, recently in Argent Care, the largest provider in the state, was terminated. And they had, you know, the MCO had their reason. And, you know, it's difficult to pass a law every time somebody gets terminated. So, thank you, Chairman.
Are there any further questions? Seeing none, thank you so much for your testimony. Is there anyone here present that would like to testify on Senate Bill 387? Seeing none, is there any other business? Seeing none, we are adjourned.