Skip to main content
Floor SessionSenate

CT Senate Floor Session — 2026-08-13

August 13, 2026 · 40,023 words · 28 speakers · 404 segments

The Chairlegislator

Well, good afternoon, everyone. Will the Senate please come to order? Members and guests, please, rise and direct your attention to our chaplain, Martin Dunleavy of New Haven, who will lead us in prayer.

Acting Chaplain Martin J. Dunleavylegislator

Thank you, Madam President. It's going to be a long day, so I've got a short prayer. Dear Lord, help us to live a creative life and to lose our fear of being wrong. Amen.

The Chairlegislator

Amen. And now to lead us in the pledge is Senator Ceci Maher.

Senator Maherlegislator

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The Chairlegislator

All right. Thank you so much, Senator Maher and Martin Dunleavy. And Senator Duff, good afternoon. Are we ready to play ball? mg/rr 2

Senator Dufflegislator

Good afternoon, Madam President. It certainly seems that way for us. Maybe, hopefully, play ball, maybe a snowball fight. Who knows? There's a lot of snow out there right now. Madam President, working off our calendar. If I can, mark some items go, please.

The Chairlegislator

Please proceed, sir.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. On Counter Page 1, Calendar 5, Senate Joint Resolution Number 11, I'd like to mark that item go.

The Chairlegislator

So ordered.

Senator Dufflegislator

On Counter Page 3, Calendar 12, Senate Joint Resolution Number 18, I'd like to mark that item go.

The Chairlegislator

So ordered.

Senator Dufflegislator

On Counter Page 3, Calendar 13, Senate Joint Resolution Number 19, I'd like to mark that item go.

The Chairlegislator

So ordered.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. And the last item on our mg/rr 3 go list right now for the moment, on Counter Page 8, Calendar 29, Senate Resolution Number 3, need to ask for suspension and mark that item go.

The Chairlegislator

So ordered.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. And if we can go in that order, and then later on, I'll be adopting Senate Agenda Number 1.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you. Oh, Madam President, before we --

The Chairlegislator

Oh, yes, sir.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you. Before we get moving, I just want to take a point of personal privilege, please. I know there may be another one as well.

The Chairlegislator

Please proceed.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I have a Norwalk resident here joining me in the circle today in the chamber. His name is Nick Sakowitz. He is from Norwalk. He's interning right now for one of our government affairs folks this session. And he mg/rr 4 came up last week and introduced himself. And I know his aunt, Laurie, pretty well, who lives in Norwalk as well. And, just wanted to welcome him here and am glad that he's taking on this role this year, the session in the chamber and in the legislature, and working to advocate for issues that come across us as senators and House members for our consideration during this session. And if the chamber can give Nick a very warm welcome. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Nick, welcome to our chamber. Thanks for visiting us. (applauding)

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Berthel, do you have a point of personal privilege?

Senator Berthellegislator

Yes, Madam President. I do. Thank you for recognizing me. Madam President, I'm very honored to introduce a Middlebury resident standing behind me. This is Nandani Patel. She is a senior at Pomperaug High School in Southbury, which happens to be my alma mater. Go Panthers. She is here today, shadowing with one of our lobbyists. And she is going to be pursuing a bachelor's degree in political science after her graduation from Pomperaug, and looks to go on and study law afterwards. So if those of us that are here in the chamber would extend a warm greeting, that would be much appreciated.

The Chairlegislator

mg/rr 5 Thank you. Let's welcome Nandani Patel. (applauding) And, Nandani, perhaps you will end up as lieutenant governor someday because I studied politics undergrad and went to law school, so you just never know. We hope you're here someday. All right. And with that, Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

Calling from the calendar. Calendar Number 5, Senate Joint Resolution Number 11, Resolution Confirming the Nomination of the Honorable James Sicilian of West Hartford to be a Senior Judge of the Superior Court.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Let's get that up on the board, and there it is. And here we are again, Senator Winfield.

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes, Madam President. Madam President, first, good afternoon. And, Madam President, I move acceptance of the joint committee's favorable report and adoption of the resolution, which is a nomination of the honorable James Sicilian of West Hartford to be a senior judge of the Superior Court.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. And will you remark further? The question is on adoption.

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes, Madam President. I realized that I'm getting older because I can't see that board anymore, and only this board. But, Madam President, briefly, Judge Sicilian came before the Judiciary Committee recently and got a favorable report. He was first put on a bench in the year 2018. I was barred in the year 1982, has been a member of the Connecticut Bar mg/rr 6 Foundation, the Hartford Golf Club, and the Community Partners in Action Board of Directors. Jim, comes to us with a favorable report, and I would urge adoption.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Kissel, will you remark?

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. It's great to see you there this afternoon. I am happy to stand up in favor of the renomination of Judge Sicilian. I will say this, first of all, we want to thank Governor Lamont for all his renominations. It was a pleasure this year. It was a large batch of renominated judges, well in excess of 25, and none, I would say, were even remotely controversial. And it really was a good group of judges, and it really was a pleasure at the hearing. And Judge Sicilian was one of them, and I would urge my colleagues to support his renomination to the bench. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further will you remark further? Senator Winfield.

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes, Madam President. If there's no objection, I ask this item to be placed on consent.

The Chairlegislator

Seeing and hearing none, we will begin the consent calendar. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

Counter Page 3, Calendar Number 12, Senate Joint mg/rr 7 Resolution 18. Resolution Confirming the Nomination of the Honorable Thomas A. Bishop of North Stonington to be a State Referee.

The Chairlegislator

And Senator Winfield, please proceed.

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes. Thank you, madam president. Madam President, I move acceptance of the joint committee's favorable report and adoption of the resolution, which is a nomination of the Honorable Thomas A. Bishop of North Stonington to be a state referee.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? The question is on adoption.

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes. Thank you, Madam President. Before us is the honorable Thomas A. Bishop of North Stonington, who came to the judiciary committee recently, received a favorable report, was first submitted to the bar in the year 1969, and the bench in 1994. Currently serves on the appellate court and does civil and family matters in the Norwich district. Has been a member of the board of the Wheeler Library of North Stonington and also, Discover Homicide. Comes to us with a favorable report. I would urge adoption.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Winfield. Will you remark further? Senator Kissel.

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I'm also pleased to support the renomination of Judge Bishop. mg/rr 8 After his public hearing, where he was supported by everyone on the committee, he did pull me aside and brought me back to when I was practicing law and private practice, and he was presiding over in Rockville, at the J.D. of Tolland, and he's been highly respected over the years. And at this time, Madam President, and, of course, I urge everyone to support his renomination, but at this time, I'd like to yield to Senator Somers for some remarks on Judge Bishop as well.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Somers, good afternoon. Will you remark?

Senator Somerslegislator

Good afternoon, Madam President. Thank you. I stand before the chamber here to just make some brief remarks about Judge Bishop. Our family knows Judge Bishop, locally, and he has a pretty interesting background, so I wanted to share that he is a descendant of Newfoundland cod fishermen, so of course, I have a special connection with our fishermen. So he went to the University of Notre Dame, and then he did active duty for Army Intelligence for two years. Then he went on to Georgetown Law School, he passed the bar in Connecticut in 1970, and he has had a very distinguished career, even serving on as many chairmanships on the New London Bar Association's, the ethics Committee, which I think is a wonderful testament to his demeanor. He has a love for boating and the sea. He's actively involved, or has been, on preserving American history and our maritime history, and has a special connection to the Amistad. He is one of my constituents who lives in North Stonington, who probably is still digging out from our last snowstorm. I think North Stonington got more snow than we did down on the shore. And I hope mg/rr 9 that this chamber will embrace this vote today, and I am a strong yes for Judge Bishop. So thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? Senator Winfield.

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, if there's no objection, I ask this item to be placed on consent.

The Chairlegislator

And seeing and hearing none, we will move that item to consent. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

Counter Page 3, Calendar 13, Senate Joint Resolution 19. The Resolution Confirming the Nomination of the Honorable Jon M. Alander of Hamden to be a State Referee.

The Chairlegislator

And we will discuss that nomination. There we go. Senator Winfield.

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes. Madam President, I move acceptance of the joint committee's favorable report and adoption of the resolution.

The Chairlegislator

The question is on adoption. Will you remark? mg/rr 10

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes, Madam President. Before us is the Honorable Jon M. Alander of Hamden to be a state referee. Judge Alander comes to us, having been appointed to the Connecticut bar in 1978. Began sitting on a bench in 1993, practices in New Haven family, comes to us with a favorable report. I would urge adoption.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? Senator Kissel.

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I also stand in strong support of Jon Alander to be the state referee. He's given many decades of solid public service on the bench and would urge my colleagues to support his renomination. Thank you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? If not, Senator Winfield.

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes. Madam President. If there's no objection, I'd ask that this item be placed on the consent as well.

The Chairlegislator

And seeing and hearing none, so ordered. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

Counter Page 8, Calendar 29, Senate Resolution 3. Resolution Proposing the Approval of an Arbitration Award between the State of Connecticut Judicial Branch and the Connecticut State Employees Association, SEIU Local 2001, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers, and the Union of mg/rr 11 Professional Judicial Employees (AFT/AFT-CT, AFL- CIO).

The Chairlegislator

And good afternoon, Senator Osten. Will you remark on the legislation before us?

Senator Ostenlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. Madam President, yes, I move acceptance of this resolution and passage of said resolution, through you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. And the question is on passage. Will you remark further?

Senator Ostenlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. Madam President, this is a resolution of an arbitration award between the state of Connecticut judicial branch and the Connecticut State Employees Association, SEIU Local 2001, the International Brotherhood of Police Officers in the Union of Professional Judicial Employees. It has approximately 2,000 workers. The IBPO has about 546 workers. CSEA has 41, and AFT has two groups, 1,402, and 44 out of the public defenders. They are not public defenders. They are investigators in case anyone was going to ask that question. I do move adoption of this. The fiscal note says that in total, the contract is worth $8,074,176 in fiscal year '26. And in fiscal year '27, it's $8,599,720. In addition to that, this is in complete agreement with other contracts that have arbitration awards that have come through the general assembly, with a two-and-a-half percent increase in wages. mg/rr 12 I would point out that according to the Connecticut Business and Industry Association, Connecticut's private employers are doing their part to address affordability in Connecticut, with an average weekly earnings up 5.4%, starting in November 2024, moving forward. This is to address the cost increase of health care, childcare, and energy. So this is comporting with the private sector jobs as well. And I urge the Senate to adopt this resolution.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Osten. Will you remark further? Senator Somers.

Senator Somerslegislator

Yes. Good afternoon, Madam President. I rise in support of this arbitration award, I guess. I am supporting it because it did go to arbitration. You had two entities that came to an impasse. They came out with a solution, and it falls in line with the current SEBAC agreement, so I urge pass it. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further on the resolution before us? Will you remark further? Senator Osten.

Senator Ostenlegislator

I don't know if there's any objection. I would ask for a roll call vote, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? If not, the machine is open. Mr. Clerk, please announce the vote.

Clerklegislator

mg/rr 13 An immediate roll call has been ordered in the the Senate.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted? Have all the senators voted? The machine is locked. And Mr. Clerk, would you kindly call the tally, please?

Clerklegislator

Total Number Voting 35 Necessary for Adoption 18 Those voting Yea 33 Those voting Nay 2 Those absent and not voting 1

The Chairlegislator

(gavel) Resolution passes. Mr. Clerk. Good afternoon, Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Good afternoon, Madam President. Madam President, if we can go to Senate Agenda Number 1 and have the Clerk make sure that that is on our desks.

Clerklegislator

Good afternoon. Clerk's in possession of Senate Agenda Item Number 1, dated Wednesday, February 25th, 2026.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Duff. mg/rr 14

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, move all items on Senate Agenda Number 1, dated Wednesday, February 25th, 2026 be acted upon as indicated. That the agenda be incorporated or referenced in Senate Journal and Senate Transcripts.

The Chairlegislator

So ordered, sir. REGULAR SESSION

Senate Billslegislator

SB NO. 298 AN ACT CONCERNING THE REALLOCATION OF CERTAIN STATE FUNDS AND VARIOUS PROVISIONS RELATING TO EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, GENERAL GOVERNMENT, ELECTIONS, INTERMEDIATE CARE FACILITIES AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. SB NO. 299 AN ACT CONCERNING REDEMPTION OF OUT-OF- STATE BEVERAGE CONTAINERS. INTRODUCTION OF SENATE AND HOUSE LIST OF BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS LIST NO. 14– to be waived and bills and resolutions to be referred to committee(s) indicated.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, on our emergency certified bills, I'd like to move that we mark Senate Bill 298 and Senate Bill 299, both as goes and for immediate action. mg/rr 15

The Chairlegislator

So ordered.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you. Madam President, will the Clerk please call Emergency Certified Bill Senate Bill 298, please?

Clerklegislator

An Act Concerning the Reallocation of Certain State Funds and Various Revisions Relating to Education, Public Safety, General Government, Elections, Intermediate Care Facilities, and Warehouse Distribution Centers. There are several amendments.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I'm going to take out the bill. I move passage of the emergency certified bill.

The Chairlegislator

And the question is on passage. Will you remark, sir?

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, this is a bill that has a number of sections of our emergency certified nature, and many of our mg/rr 16 colleagues on the Senate Democratic side will be explaining its various sections. We'll be yielding to each other on that. And I move for passage of the bill. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. The question is on passage. Senator Harding.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. And, Madam President, my understanding is we stand here today on an emergency because it is an emergency certified bill. And, again, my understanding procedurally, Madam President, is that on emergency certified bills, it's emergency because we could completely usurp the otherwise understood important institutional legislative process that every other bill that we vote on has to go through. And so it makes a lot of sense that we have mechanisms in place procedurally as a Senate body, as a House body, as a state government body that would allow for what I would think extremely limited circumstances in which we usurp the legislative process. That means bypass public hearings, bypass committee votes, bypass opportunities for our constituents and advocacy groups to opine on these important pieces of legislation that will impact the three million plus people of this great state, that only in very limited circumstances we would do that. And so we do have a mechanism, as I do understand it, Madam President, that allows for us to address that as a And so my understanding, Madam President, is that the Senate President, in this chamber, and the Speaker of the House in the House chamber are the individuals that do have to certify an emergency to allow for legislation to usurp the legislative process. And this bill that's before us, Madam mg/rr 17 President, as I understand it, as Senator Duff described in bringing it out, addresses a plethora of different issues, none of which that I find to be time sensitive to the fact that it is an emergency, at least on first glance. But with that said, I do think it's important, considering the fact that we're usurping the entire legislative process, to understand how emergent this legislation truly is. And, with saying that, Madam President, through you, I would like to ask the proponent, as to how the individual that signed this documentation, why they declared this legislation before us to be an emergency. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Thanks, Senator Harding. I'm going to yield to Senator Looney for that response, please.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Looney, do you accept the yield, sir?

Senator Looneylegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I do accept the yield for purposes of responding to the minority leader's questions. Madam President, through you to Senator Harding, Section 2-26 of our general statutes allows for emergency certification, when the "President Pro Tem of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives have certified in writing the facts which are, in their opinion, necessitate an immediate vote on such bill." And similarly, under Joint Rule 9, there is similar language. Emergency mg/rr 18 certification requires the bill "be certified by the President Pro Tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House to be of an emergency nature." And the key phrase there is in their opinion. This emergency certification does provide that the Speaker and I believe that the circumstances in each of these items, does necessitate immediate action, and that the bill is properly before us for that reason, both under our statutes and our joint rules.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, sir. Will you remark further? Senator Harding.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Yes, Madam President. I do thank the President for his answer, and I will just speak with the chamber, through you, Madam President, on the context behind why I don't believe this is an emergency. And I do appreciate the Senate President's answer and respect it. I understand that there is a process by which certifications are needed to be signed, and I have no doubt in my mind that that process was followed. And I think that is what Senator Looney did indicate to us, Madam President, and I appreciate that. With that said, I think it comes down to what the definition of emergency truly is. And we should take that seriously. And in my tenure in the legislature, when I was a state representative prior and now as a senator, I've seen this process take place. And I would argue that almost every single time, if not every single time, there was an emergency certification when I walked into this building. I truly looked at it and believed there was somewhat of a time-sensitive issue that applied to what we were voting on. I could at least look at it logically and see almost everything had some time- sensitive aspect to it, which I could appreciate. mg/rr 19 I may have disagreed whether it rose to the level of an emergency, but I could see the logical connection with how someone may interpret it to be an emergency. And this bill here today, with the plethora of concepts it has, I almost see zero nexus. Almost none. There are aspects of this bill, like earmarks to different organizations, that no one has discussed how it's emergent. This is millions of dollars of taxpayer money that is usurping the entire legislative process, usurping any level of scrutiny, usurping legislative and committee votes, usurping our constituents from being able to participate in the process. And I have no idea, nor does any other senator, at least in my caucus, have any idea as to why any of this is an emergency. And in the press, quite openly, at least in the other chamber, we have Democratic leadership telling us we're doing this because it took too long last session to pass the bills. That's not an emergency. Every single one of these solitary issues that we have in this bill could go through the legislative process, and it should. And just because you have the majority and a large majority doesn't mean that people should have to be taken out of the process. And these are our constituents. A hundred and twenty-five thousand people in all of our districts gave us the awesome responsibility of voting for them and advocating for them. And by declaring these things to be emergencies, you're basically telling those 125,000 people that you can't participate in the process. And again, if it's an emergent issue, I understand why. But it's not an emergency because you were frustrated that it didn't pass last session. That's not an emergency. I'm sorry. And so for anyone to think that is, it's wrong. And you're letting your constituency down by doing that. mg/rr 20 There are aspects of this bill, I'll give you an example, that we're voting on is one of the concepts in this omnibus bill that lets child abusers who are convicted of the crime off of the obligation of paying child support while they're incarcerated. Can anyone in their logical mind tell you how that's an emergency? We're rushing into legislative session to help out individuals that shouldn't deserve any help at all in paying their child support obligation? Who are convicted in some cases of abusing their child or abusing the parent of that child? That's in this bill. And we have a declaration that it's an emergency to address that concept today. Regardless of who's in power, we need to have more respect to the institution and more respect for our constituency to allow them to be able to participate in the legislative process. It's there for a reason. And I'll tell you something right now. The one thing I do find to be an emergency is affordability. The one thing I do find to be an emergency is that we have the third-highest tax burden in the country. The one thing I do find to be an emergency is the fact that we have the third-highest electric bills in the country. The one thing I do find to be an emergency is that I have 90-year-old women calling me and calling our other senators, telling them that they can't afford to pay their property tax bill this month. And we have the third-highest property tax burden in the state. Those are emergencies. And I'd be the first one to stand up here today and declare it an emergency and vote on things to actually help those individuals. But none of that, not one thing, is being done for them in this bill. Not one thing. Yet it's emergent enough that we have to give third-party organizations, well-connected to politicians in this building, appropriations. That's an emergency. But helping out that individual at home, that middle-class family for paying their electric bills, we have nothing to save for. mg/rr 21 The crisis we face in the state, with making the state more and more unaffordable every single day, is the real emergency here. And unfortunately, we have nothing in this bill today to address it. So I'm more than happy to have our caucus lead on that. Let's talk about affordability today. Let's address that today. That should be the discussion. That's the real emergency. So with that said, Madam President, I do call a point of order. And I would object to this bill based upon the fact that I do not believe this to be an emergency.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark on the point of order? Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you. Madam President. Madam President, Connecticut General Statutes, Sections 2-26 in our rules and case law, making clear that both Sections 2-26 in our joint rules have been satisfied, and thus this emergency certified bill is properly before the Senate. Section 2-26 allows for emergency certification when the President Pro Tempore of the Representatives have certified in writing the facts, which, in their opinion, necessitate an immediate vote on such bill. Similarly, under Joint Rule 9, emergency certification requires that the bill be certified by the President Pro Tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House to be of an emergency nature. Additionally, it is worth noting that the mason's manual does not address bills raised by emergency certification. Neither the rules nor the statute set forth specific criteria for determining what facts are sufficient to establish an emergency. Our senate mg/rr 22 precedents therefore support an interpretation of these rules and statute as not requiring any specific facts to be stated to justify the existence of an emergency, but merely requiring that the president and speaker state that, in their opinion, the bill necessitates an immediate vote of the general assembly, i.e. "is an emergency nature." Of particular importance is Lieutenant Governor Gourk's ruling in Senate Precedent 12-1.2 on a point of order raised regarding an emergency certified bill that made various amendments to the state income tax bill, with the senator asserting that the bill was not properly before the Senate because it was not an emergency. "The rules require that the two leaders certify that, in their opinion, the bill is an emergency," which had occurred, and thus, "the bill had met the requirements of Joint Rule 9 and was properly before the Senate." Additionally, Lieutenant Governor Gourk emphasized the fact that this was a "flexible standard," where the opinion of the leaders is determinative. Similarly, in precedent Senate Precedent 12-1.1, a senator raised a point of order that the emergency certification, which was used to raise a bill to appropriate money to aid towns in removing snow, was improper because the bill did not necessitate an immediate vote and therefore failed to meet the statutory test for emergency certification. Lieutenant Governor Feliso ruled at the point not well taken, "the bill was accompanied by a written certification that additional funds are required to assist the towns of the state in meeting the increased cost of snow removal. The emergency certification complied with both the statutes and the joint rules." These senate precedents are further supported by limited case law on the issue, in particular, in National Shooting Sports Foundation versus Malloy, 986. The court made a point to acknowledge that the mg/rr 23 parties conceded that 2-26 contains no criteria for determining what facts are sufficient to necessitate an immediate vote. Supporting an interpretation of Section 2-26, they do not require any specific facts to be stated to justify the existence of an emergency. Thus, in this instance, the fact that the President and Speaker certified that emergency exists in their opinion satisfies the requirements of Joint Rule 9 and Connecticut General Statute Sections 2-26. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? Senator Harding.

Senator Hardinglegislator

So, Madam President, is there going to be a ruling for Madam President?

The Chairlegislator

Yes. There will be when we have completed the debate.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Yes. Madam President, then thank you if I may have the floor.

The Chairlegislator

Yes, please.

Senator Hardinglegislator

I appreciate Senator Duff's answer, but I understand the standard is flexible, but there's a difference between flexible and illogical. And frankly, the fact that we're not addressing affordability, yet we're addressing a bunch of issues that none of them mg/rr 24 happen to be emergent in my opinion, is illogical. And therefore, I would, once again, ask the chair, Madam President, to find that this is not appropriately before the Senate chamber. Thank you.

The Chairlegislator

Will you remark further? If not, I have listened to the debate on both sides. And in accordance with Joint Rule 9 of our statutes 2-26 and all the other relevant rules, I find that the requirements for emergency certification contained in the aforementioned rules have been fully satisfied. Senator Harding.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I do object to the ruling of the chair.

The Chairlegislator

It will be so noted.

Senator Hardinglegislator

And ask for a roll call vote.

The Chairlegislator

And with that, we will have a roll call vote. I will open the voting machines. Mr. Clerk kindly announce the vote. Oh, Senator Duff, would you --

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. We just want to make sure that people that the ruling of the chair is being appealed. So if you want to override the chair's ruling, you would vote green. If you want to sustain the ruling, you would vote red. Thank you, Madam President. mg/rr 25

The Chairlegislator

Thank you for that clarification, Senator Duff.

Clerklegislator

An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the in the Senate regarding the appeal of the ruling of the chair. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate regarding the appeal of the ruling of the chair. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, give us the tally, please.

Clerklegislator

On the appeal, the ruling of the chair: Total Number Voting 36 Necessary for Adoption 19 Those voting Yea 11 Those voting Nay 25 Those absent and not voting 0

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Mr. Clerk. And that motion failed. And Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I believe we're now going to move to senators explaining their sections of the bill, and I would yield to Senator Osten. mg/rr 26

The Chairlegislator

Very good. Senator Osten, do you accept the yield?

Senator Ostenlegislator

Yes, Madam President. I accept the yield. And my section of this budget is in a number of different sections. I'm going to start with Section 2. So Section 1 clarifies the intent that $70,000 in fiscal '26 previously appropriated through the judicial branch OE line item must be granted to the Village Initiative Program. The Village Initiative Project is a program that is in Bridgeport. Section 2 clarifies the intent that 2.5 million in FY '26 previously appropriated through OPM's OE line must be granted to Hartford for outdoor recreation activities. Section 3 as authorizing language for previously appropriated funds for neuromodulation therapy for veterans. This is housed in UConn Health in Farmington. Section 4 clarifies the intent of 2.5 million in FY '26 and '27. Previously appropriated through DSS's community services line must be used for school- based mental health funding in certain districts of Newington, Wethersfield, Cromwell, Rocky Hill, and Middletown. Section 5 clarifies an issue with previously authorized Windham High School language, allowing for reimbursement for a project that has already begun. Section 6 appropriates $330,000 in FY '26 through DECD's OE line to our piece of the pie. Our piece of the pie is a youth service organization in Hartford serving the greater Hartford region. Section 7 allows 750,000 in FY '26 from SDE's OE line to be granted to CREC for their existing teacher residency program. Everything in the CREC region, most, if not all, are in Hartford County. mg/rr 27 Section 8 appropriates 200,000 in FY '26 from DECD's OE line item to FreeAgent Now. It's a technology company that offers an educational interactive marketing platform for student athletes based in East Hartford. Sections 9 through 11 correct drafting errors for Mill Hill Elementary in Fairfield, Roxbury Elementary, and New London High. Hold on. Section 12 references Section 13. Section 13 addresses a unique situation in Cheshire, allowing the town to claim reimbursement grants against the lease purchase agreement. Section 14 increases the reimbursement rate for Region 13 by 15% points. Region 13 is Durham and Middlefield. Section 15 extends the effective date of previously authorized school construction projects in Hartford. Section 17 allows reimbursement to Cheshire under the school construction program for ineligible costs for existing or future projects. Section 18 allows reimbursement for the Middlefield Memorial School construction. And that ends my sections, and I would yield to Senator McCrory.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator McCrory, do you accept the yield, sir?

Senator Mccrorylegislator

Yes, Madam President. I accept the yield. Madam President, I will speak to Sections 22 through 23 that speak to our multilanguage learners in the field of education. All these bills, all these pieces of legislation, were part of our aircraft carrier bill from last year. Section 25 speaks to establish a working group to address anti-citizenry in our public schools via mg/rr 28 developing recommendations and resources, which will be shared as a recommendation to the Ed Committee. Sections 26 and 27 speak to our kindergarten start age. We are phasing out the waiver of policy allowing children under the age of five to start kindergarten. Sections 28 through 30 talk about our racial and malicious standards. It fixes unintended consequences impacting some of our most integrated school districts. Sections 31 through 43 speak to budgeting and transparency. Sections 31 and 32 enhance budgeting and planning requirements by the board of education to improve two-year cost predictions. Section 35 allows our regional boards to move forward from the reserve fund for capital and noncurrent expenses to the reserve fund for educational expenses. Section 38 requires the board of education, who is not a member of the UN, to be certain in our negotiations. And Section 43 requires our state board of education to allocate funds to CERC as specified in the SDE budget. Sections 40 through 42 speak to our student and suspensions, expulsions requirements. It tightens up the ability for schools to issue outside suspensions for kids in K through 2. It changes the language from physical harm to serious physical harm. Sections 44 through 47 speak to our crisis response drills. It will improve schools' crisis response plans by requiring the Connecticut Center for School Safety and Crisis Prevention at WestConn to work with DESP to develop protocols for crisis response drills. There are a few other miscellaneous sections in the bill that I have not went over. I'll speak to a few of them. Section 34 requires updates of our MOUs between our school districts and our local law enforcement for the assignment of school resource officers. Section 36 allows the board of education to provide vision mg/rr 29 screening to students in pre-K or grade 2. And Section 37 allows Madison to participate in the Open Choice Program as receiving and sending districts from New Haven meet, will we get in school year '26 and '27? Madam President, I would like to yield to Senator Kushner.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Kushner, do you accept the yield?

Senator Kushnerlegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I do accept the yield. I am going to review Sections 48 and 49. This pertains to the pension offsets. It makes changes to certain workers' compensation benefits that may be used when calculating a retiree's pension benefit in certain municipal pension systems. Generally, it prohibits the pension system from decreasing a retiree's pension benefit because the retiree receives a workers' comp benefit for permanent partial disability. Additionally, it requires the system to count an employee's work compensation, temporary total disability, and temporary partial disability benefits as wages when calculating the pension. Finally, it also requires the comptroller to study the considerations needed for a municipality that does not currently have a defined benefit pension plan to transition successfully to either CMERS, the Connecticut Municipal Employees Retirement System, or to another defined pension benefit plan that provides benefits comparable to CMERS. The next section that I'm going to discuss is Sections 50 through 57, and this is the warehouse workers bill. And this prohibits the use of quotas imposed by large warehouse employers from mg/rr 30 interfering with meal breaks, bathroom breaks, that are not achievable within the employee's actual time at work, or related to the performance of other employees. It requires large warehouse employers to give employees a written description of each quota that they are subject to and any adverse employment actions that could result from failing to meet quotas. It gives employees the right to the quota records held by the employer, and it allows employees to seek damages in court, should the statute be violated. And the AG could also seek damages in court for a group of employees. It allows the court to issue fines from $1,000 to $3,000, depending on prior violations. And I will yield now to Senator Winfield.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Winfield, do you accept the yield?

Senator Winfieldlegislator

Yes. Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, the sections of the bill that I'm dealing with are 58 and 59. We have a unique situation here where our chief court administrator, Justice Joan Alexander, would be stepping down in order to fully assume that role. The way that the law is set up, that is not really something we've contemplated. And so the sections that I am dealing with would allow her to step down, but finish out the portion of her role as a superior court judge for the remainder of her eight years. It seems to me to be a very important and timely situation, and something that we definitely should do immediately. And with that, Madam President, I would yield to Senator Gaston.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Gaston, do you accept the yield? mg/rr 31

Senator Gastonlegislator

Yes, Madam President. I accept the yield. Thank you so much. Good to see you up there. I'll be bringing out Section 60 for the public safety bill. It deals with law enforcement training and essentially requires POSTC by March 1st, 2027, to provide police training regarding interactions with police with persons with mental and physical disabilities, including identification of these disabilities, and de-escalation techniques, after consulting with people, with autism, cognitive impairment, and nonverbal learning disorders, as well as consulting with a higher education institution, health care professionals, and advocacy organizations to ensure the efficacy of this bill. So it's very comprehensive, and I think it's a good step in the right direction for both law enforcement and the community. Thank you, Madam President. Now yield, Madam President, to Senator Duff.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Duff, do you accept the yield?

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I am speaking on Section 61, which adds two members to the State Properties Review Board, one appointed jointly by the Speaker of the House and President Pro Tempore of the Senate, and one appointed jointly by the Minority Leader of the House and the Minority Leader of the Senate. That is my piece. If we can just stand at these for a moment while the next person comes in.

The Chairlegislator

Yes, indeed. We will stand at ease. Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

mg/rr 32 Thank you, ma'am. I'd like to yield to Senator Kushner.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. And Senator Kushner.

Senator Kushnerlegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I accept the yield. As pertains to Section 62, in 2025, the legislature imposed a five-cent monthly fee on cell phone bills to fund the relief fund for the cancer relief fund for firefighters. These are moves up the start date for when the fee will be assessed from January 1, 2027, to July 1, 2026. With notice of the fee amount and frequency to the subscriber now required by May 1st, 2026, instead of November 1st, 2026. And I now yield to Senator Marx.

The Chairlegislator

And, Senator Marx, do you accept the yield?

Senator Marxlegislator

I do, Madam President. This section, Section 63, removes the statutory language allowing developers of apartment buildings with sprinklers to use a single stairway in the state building code and fire safety code. Therefore, the regulations being submitted by the Department of Administrative Services may submit regulations without this provision. I yield to Senator Osten.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Osten, do you accept the yield?

Senator Ostenlegislator

Madam President, yes. I do. So I will talk a little bit about Item Number 64. And Item 64 is something mg/rr 33 that is very much needed right now to get done. It is increasing Medicaid rates for intermediate care facilities by 2% in fiscal year '26, 3% in fiscal year '27, 3.3% in fiscal '28, with an additional 3.3% effective 01/01/28. This increases state Medicaid cost by approximately 700,000 in fiscal year '26, 1.9 million in fiscal '27, 3.9 million in fiscal '28, and 4.9 million in fiscal '29 when fully annualized. Madam President, I would yield to Senator Anwar.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Anwar, good afternoon. Do you accept the yield?

Senator Anwarlegislator

Good afternoon, Madam President. I do. Madam President, my sections are Section Number 65 and 66. Madam President, this is about the exemption of the certificate of need requirement for a state hospital for a short duration to be enacted before June 30th, 2026. Specifically focused on increasing the beds for mental health-related inpatient beds. With that, I'm going to yield to Senator Lesser.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Lesser, do you accept the yield?

Senator Lesserlegislator

I do. Madam President, I'm going to speak to Sections 67 and 68, which amend our child support statutes to allow for tolling of a child support while a domestic abuser is incarcerated. And I know that the distinguished Minority Leader did speak to this section and raised, what I think, are some legitimate concerns. Why would we be doing anything to help domestic abusers, people who've been convicted of domestic violence? I had that question too, of DSS last year, when they came to the Human mg/rr 34 Services Committee with this proposal. We asked some hard-hitting questions of them. And the answer is very simple. It's because the Trump administration is forcing us to do this. They sent us a letter that argues very strongly that Connecticut's law, which requires people who've been incarcerated for these offenses to pay child support, is in direct violation of federal law. Specifically, they say that it violates 45 CFR 302.56(c)(3). And in doing so, if we do not change our law, we are in jeopardy of losing our TANF funds, which at present appear to be $239.2 million of federal funding. Now, this threat seemed imminent last year when DSS was presented with it, and so they came to the Human Services Committee. We tried to fix it last year. This was not something we could do. I have real questions about the policy. I think the argument is, the reason the federal law says this, that as a practical matter, there are not a whole lot of child support payments being made by people who are incarcerated, but we had that concern. Why would we be doing this? But it is because of a direct communication from the federal department, and the administration for children and families in the US Department of Health and Human Services has corresponded repeatedly with our Department of Social Services, demanding that this change be made, or else we risk forfeiting federal funds. It seems like an emergency to me, given the scale and the threat that it presents to our state's finances, and it was something that was heard in a public hearing last year. And with that, I think that concludes my remarks on those sections.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further, Senator Duff? mg/rr 35

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Will the Senate stand at ease?

The Chairlegislator

The Senate will stand at ease. Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, just on the final few sections of the bill. This comes from the secretary of the state's office regarding election integrity and ensuring that we are doing everything we can to have fair and free elections and that we're making the justice we need before this November. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further on the bill? Senator Fazzio, good afternoon, sir.

Senator Fazziolegislator

Good afternoon, Madam President. I rise in opposition to today's emergency certification legislation. There certainly are two Connecticut's here in our state. There's a Connecticut in the state capitol where the prevailing opinion of what constitutes an emergency is the inability to quickly pass a long wish list of political priorities into law. But there's a Connecticut outside of the state capital that's felt every day by regular citizens, that is much more real and much more prevalent. It's Connecticut where people are having to pay the third-highest tax burden in the country, the third- highest electric rates in the country, confront rising health care costs, and generally see economic opportunity diminish at every turn. That is the real mg/rr 36 emergency in Connecticut. It's an emergency that has been imposed upon the people of this state by the failures of leadership in this state government over many years. It's an emergency that does not require us to suspend normal legislative procedures, to ignore public hearings, to ignore public input, and to push through 95 sections of laws, most of which the public had never had an opportunity to comment on. Today, we will be voting on legislation that is well over a 100 pages and 95 sections of often totally unrelated legislation. Most of which never had the benefit of public hearings or public input. Many of which are being brought to us very, very recently and haven't had any opportunity for public debate. There is a litany of different spending line items that will go to politically connected organizations, some of which might be very worthy organizations that need funding. But many of those spending line items never had the benefit of rigorous examination. And that comes in the context of scandals over misuse of public dollars in this state that have now invited federal investigation as well. The administration has introduced a proposal for more vetting of many of these earmarks in our state budget to make sure that there is not money being spent frivolously or fraudulently. We know we are already wasting so much of our taxpayer dollars in this state, and having procedures and guardrails in order to protect the taxpayer is more necessary than ever. And yet, in this proposed legislation, we have millions and millions of dollars going to at least a dozen organizations outside of the state government that have not received the scrutiny that certainly everybody outside this building understands is now necessary. There are major changes to a variety of educational regulations, health care regulations, voting regulations, and so on. You saw at the start of this mg/rr 37 debate that the bill had to be introduced by half a dozen different senators who have committee cognizance over many different subjects. All of those being put into one big, not so beautiful bill, 95 sections, most of which never had the benefit of the public's input or a public debate. Over the last 30 years, the direction of our Congress in Washington, DC, under both parties' majorities, has gone down a path where there is more and more centralization of decision making and less and less input from individual legislators in committees with expertise on different subject matters. In state governments across the country, there is still, in most places, been a semblance of the bottom up legislative approach. Just as we all watched on Schoolhouse Rock, individual legislator introduces a bill idea. It gets debated. It gets changed. It gets passed through the committee and voted on the full House and Senate floor. The bottom up organic collaborative approach to legislating that was envisioned by founders of this country and founders of this state as well as most other states across the country and still generally lives in state governments and state legislators all across the United States, but has left the building in the US Capitol. Unfortunately, here in Connecticut, the majority of this state legislature is taking its cues from the congress of the United States over the last few decades and jamming dozens upon dozens and millions upon millions of dollars and bills and policies into one vehicle without the benefit of public input and passing it after it had only been released to the public hours before the final vote takes place. Let's not live by Nancy Pelosi's adage that you have to pass the bill to find out what's in it. But that is what we are doing here today. And for what? For mg/rr 38 what is the question? Is there an emergency? Is there an emergency that requires us to suspend normal legislative order to pass 95 different sections of law that nobody could name off the top of their head. No one could even summarize as having a specific purpose to the betterment of Connecticut residents writ large, most of which is not time sensitive in any way. Legislation and policy that is good can be time sensitive even if it is not of the most important nature, but much of this is not time sensitive at all. There is one organization after another that the Good Chair of the Appropriations Committee mentioned as receiving dollars. There are major labor regulatory changes related to our municipal governments that will have a substantial cost to property taxpayers, who are already paying one of the highest property tax burdens in the country. There are health care changes in regulation, some of which I actually have been a proponent of to ease certificate of need laws. In other words, there are going to be valid and worthwhile elements to this piece of legislation here today. How could there not be? There's 95 different sections of 15 different omnibus bills being put into one. Nine of which never had a public hearing either this year or last year, most of which are not time sensitive, almost none of which could constitute emergencies by any stretch of the imagination. The true emergency in this state is the affordability emergency being felt by our constituents every single day. Just this morning, I stood with a small business owner who owns an auto mechanic shop in Meriden, who highlighted the sky high increases in his energy bills that is making it difficult for their small family business to make mg/rr 39 ends meet. Addressing those high costs, cutting our electric bills, eliminating the public benefits charge, that is worth an emergency certification. All across this state, I meet seniors, particularly who do not understand how they will be able to retire in this state for the rest of their lives, the state that they love and that they grew up in and made a life in with the skyrocketing property tax burden that they feel. That is more than double what the average American has to pay, which keeps going up and which as a result of this legislation will go up even more, which is, I think, going to be a question eventually for one of my good colleagues, just how much. That would constitute an emergency certification to cap property taxes or alleviate property taxes in some form. Over the last eight years, Connecticut has the fourth lowest rate of economic growth in the country. Connecticut lost 2,200 jobs as a state last year, while the rest of the country saw 800,000 jobs be created. That constitutes an emergency certification to provide economic relief, to generate economic growth, to deliver a large middle- class income and working-class income tax cut that will help increase incomes and wages and jobs in the state of Connecticut, where they are needed as much or more than any other place in this country. I meet and my colleagues meet at every turn people who are hurting in this state, in a way that people are not hurting across the country. With a state economy that has been stagnant for many years, in a state where we have lost thousands of jobs in the last year, while the rest of the country has seen the job roles and the economy grow. I believe that Connecticut should have high standards for itself. I believe that this legislature and state government should have high standards for itself. I believe that the long- standing procedures and rules of deliberation and mg/rr 40 debate and public input work in the United States of America and work in the state of Connecticut and should not be abandoned because it is difficult or challenging at times to find consensus, to pass legislation. Because the checks and balances written into our state constitution, written into the rules of this Senate, and that have been customary for many generations are not always convenient to the immediate passage of what exactly we want. Those principles, those customs should not be readily abandoned for convenience purposes. But that is sometimes what the consequence is of one side having the ability to pass everything they want over a long period of time. An alienation from the needs of regular residents and constituents who are hurting. The prioritization of a political wish list over affordability and opportunity and economic growth for the state of Connecticut, which needs it more than any other place in this country. We as Senate Republicans are not just here to cast stones, as much as they deserve to be cast. We are also here to offer alternatives. To offer a better way and a positive path towards affordability and towards economic opportunity for regular residents of our state. This state can do better. It should expect better. And it should have leadership that addresses the true opportunities which are felt by the residents of our state, which is, the cost of living an economic emergency, the emergency of the unaffordability of Connecticut. And that's what, even if we are not in the majority, we as Senate Republicans will continue to advocate for. And that is why, Madam President, the Clerk is in possession of LCO Number 2239. And I would ask the Clerk to kindly call that amendment.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Would you kindly repeat? Mr. Clerk, kindly call the amendment. mg/rr 41

Clerklegislator

Got it. LCO Number 2239, Senate Amendment "A".

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Fazzio.

Senator Fazziolegislator

Madam President, I move adoption of the amendment and waive reading and seek leave to summarize.

The Chairlegislator

And I'm not seeing the amendment up there, so let's get that up. Thank you. Senator Fazzio.

Senator Fazziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Before I summarize, I would like to ask for a roll call vote on the amendment when, in fact, that vote takes place.

The Chairlegislator

And we will have a roll call vote, sir.

Senator Fazziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. This amendment would address the true emergency being felt by Connecticut residents, which is the emergency of an unaffordable state. Connecticut faces the third highest tax burden of any state in the country and as a consequence over the last eight years we have experienced the fourth worst economy of any state in the country. This amendment would go a long way to making Connecticut more affordable and generating economic opportunity for working-class and middle-class mg/rr 42 families. The first part of the amendment is the largest working class and middle class income tax cut in state history. It would reduce the income tax burden for those making under $50,000 among single filers and those making under $100,000 for joint filers by 40%. It would reduce income taxes by 16% for single filers making under a $100,000 and joint filers making under $200,000. It would eliminate the income tax for single filers making $25,000. Altogether, it would provide roughly $1,600 of income tax relief for an average middle-class family making around a $100,000 per year. Not only that, it would also eliminate occupational licensing fees for professionals so that working class skilled workers, especially on the first rung of life's economic ladder, have an opportunity to succeed in Connecticut, work in Connecticut without a fee being imposed upon them annually by the state government. It would eliminate occupational licensing fees for electricians, HVAC professionals, plumbers, teachers, realtors, speech and language pathologists, among others. This is a policy proposal that I've been pushing with Senate colleagues for the last four years, and this would make reality a more affordable state for working class skilled professionals who are looking for a leg up in Connecticut. It would reduce the payroll tax by 20%. Currently, there is a 500 to $600 million positive balance in the paid leave program. And it's also running a surplus of tens of millions of dollars per year, meaning we are over collecting taxes from residents who have to pay a one half of 1% payroll tax up to a 130 some thousand dollars of income per year. That means that the average family in Connecticut is paying roughly $670 per year. mg/rr 43 In payroll taxes when there is a $500 million balance in that account and there is tens of millions of dollars in surplus being collected in that account. This would provide over $100 of relief to them paid for. And finally, this proposal will include a car tax credit from individuals' income taxes up to $300. This proposal addresses the true emergency felt by Connecticut workers and families and small businesses every day. The inability to make ends meet in a state that has been made far too expensive by the failure of state government and state leadership and state policy. If, and only if, we declare an emergency for legislative purposes in the State of Connecticut, it should be addressing the true emergency being felt by everyday Connecticut residents who are hurting so much. I urge my colleagues to support this amendment, which would in fact go a long way to making Connecticut more affordable. And when the roll call vote does happen, I would urge my colleagues to vote in favor of it.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Sampson, good afternoon, sir.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Good afternoon, Madam President. I rise in strong support of the amendment that is on the board. I want to thank my good colleague, Senator Fazio, for his very illustrative remarks and the detail in which he went into what exactly this package of tax relief offers the residents of Connecticut. I'm tempted to get into the conversation about why we are here today and whether or not the majority's bill that is being offered is truly worthy of being emergency certified, but I will reserve those remarks for a separate conversation. mg/rr 44 Right now, I just want to speak very much in favor of what has been identified as the true emergency facing Connecticut residents, and that is the lack of affordability of living in the State of Connecticut. Everyone within the sound of my voice recognizes that Connecticut is one of the most difficult places to survive financially in our entire country. Maybe only challenged by California, which is an entirely different type of entity. And I have a good friend, Senator Fazio, who likes to say that while Hawaii and Alaska are detached from the Continental US, California is detached from reality. And I always think that's a great comment and so true. But Connecticut is also detached from reality. And it's become more and more detached as the majority party has been reelected year after year, now culminating in decades of one-party rule in the State of Connecticut, whereby policies are advanced that continue to grow the size and scope of government and the cost to the people that live here. Enough is enough. The bill that is before us is a collection of, I don't know, 17 or 20 individual items, not a single which, and I would challenge anyone to prove to me that any of them rise to the level of an emergency, particularly when we are in the middle of the legislative session. In fact, we're at the very beginning where bills are just being raised as concepts, where there are public hearings going on almost every day. I was in three public hearings simultaneously yesterday, including one in labor where the labor items that are in this bill could have been addressed. What really matters right now, what the real emergency facing the people of Connecticut is affordability and their ability to be able to survive in the State of Connecticut. This amendment would create an unbelievably large reduction in the tax burden that Connecticut residents face. I just want to state for a second, you know, that we heard mg/rr 45 over the last couple of years that the Lamont administration passed a $500 million tax cut. And I disagreed with that statement when it happened. I said so on this floor. And the reason why I did is because at a time when you are putting forth a budget that increases spending to the tune of billions of dollars, huge percentages increase in spending, it is very hard for me to understand how you could call that a tax cut. You might be adjusting a rate here or there, but ultimately, if the State of Connecticut is spending more money, that money comes to the state in the form of taxes. So, taxes definitely went up. Also, contained within that supposed $500 million tax cut was a huge portion of that money dedicated to the earned income tax credit. And that money is not a tax cut at all. That is an entitlement payment effectively. It is almost like welfare. It is the state government using taxpayer dollars that they've collected from taxpayers around the state, and they're giving it back to another group of people, in some cases, who have not even paid taxes at all. That is not a tax cut. That is a welfare program on the back of other taxpayers. And to say it's a tax cut is absurd. This plan is a genuine tax cut, and it is a direct result of our ability to provide a tax cut because of the massive over collection of revenue in the form of taxes levied by this majority party. Our tax plan would eliminate the car tax, not by the way that the majority has proposed doing it over the last several years, which would effectively shift the property taxes folks back in their towns pay on cars over to homeowners by simply changing how a town is going to collect the same money. Ours does it in a totally different way. It still allows the town to collect those dollars to run their town budgets, but we would use the state's over collection of taxes to provide a tax credit mg/rr 46 against your income tax for those property taxes paid on your car, effectively eliminating your car tax that you pay to your municipality, a far better plan that is not some mischievous shift in responsibility. It's an actual tax cut. We also intend on reducing the income tax burden for state residents by a billion dollars, a billion dollars. And that's a 40% reduction for single filers making $50,000, and joint filers at around $100,000. Then there's also another reduction for single filers that are making $100,000 or more. So, we are providing tax relief across the board, but focusing it on the people that are being hit the hardest, which is people that are middle income, hardworking folks all across the state who are being asked constantly to take more and more money out of their pockets. There's also, as Senator Fazio mentioned, relief for people that are working in industries that require occupational licenses. Think about it. Why are we making it more difficult for someone to become a HVAC professional or to be a teacher or a realtor or even a speech and language pathologist? Why are we asking these folks to pay a license fee for the privilege of going to work? We should make it easier for people to go to work, to start a small business, or to enter into an industry and make a living at it. And so, we would like to eliminate the occupational license fees for various professions. And then finally, the other last part of this is a reduction in the payroll tax that was imposed on us on a party line vote by the majority a few years ago by the creation of the paid family leave benefit. And, of course, that's a program that probably does provide benefits to some people in need, but it should not be a mandate. It should not have been applied to every person working in the state whether they wanted to or not. mg/rr 47 That is a half a percent of your income that is being taxed and put into this program whether you want it or not, whether you have your own mechanism to take care of yourself in a case where you might need a benefit that is similar to that. This is not necessary. And in fact, as was pointed out by the good Senator, we are collecting so much more in tax revenue than is actually needed that there's a massive surplus in that program also to the point where almost every day when I get in the car, I hear another radio ad trying to advertise to people just how easy it is to get benefits from this program. That's an absurdity. The thing should never have been passed to begin with in my view. People who want to purchase insurance products should be ready and able to do so, but they should not be mandated by the State of Connecticut against the will of the individuals. Not to mention the fact that that program has completely undermined the short-term disability insurance industry. The fact of the matter is the State of Connecticut is flush with money right now. And the reason why it's flush with money is because the majority is taxing you too much. They're collecting too much of your money in too many different ways. They brought us here on the opening day of session, which is normally just a day where it's more pop and circumstance and celebratory than anything else. But no, not this year. They brought us here this year so they could find a way to take hundreds of millions of dollars in another emergency certified bill with no public hearings and no input and no committee debate to find a way to empower the Governor by effectively giving him a blank check to spend hundreds of millions of your tax dollars. What we want to do is we want to go back to using the legislature the way it was intended with public input, with a legislative process that makes sense, with actual mg/rr 48 committee meetings where the members debate the merits of legislation. And what we want to do is we want to find ways to make it easier and better to live in Connecticut. I don't like the idea of even offering an amendment on today's bill because I don't think we should be here doing this. We should not be circumventing the legislative process. But since the majority has brought us here under this grand claim that there's an emergency, let's remember what the real emergency is. The real emergency is whether or not our neighbors can afford to live in our state. I have constituents reaching out to me nearly every day struggling to make decisions about whether they're going to pay for their medication or their electric bill. I'm talking about senior citizens. I'm talking about veterans. Recently, I met with a senior citizen who lives in my district who called me over to his house for an entirely different issue. But in the conversation, I learned that this man is struggling to have his boiler serviced, to pay for his medication. He lost his wife recently. This is a gentleman who's a veteran. He was very proud to say that he's never taken one nickel of government assistance, that he has paid his way his whole life. And now he is faced with maybe losing his home because his property taxes continue to rise every year. His responsibilities continue to rise. This is a guy who bought his house probably four decades ago. The amount he paid for his house is probably only slightly more than his annual tax bill now. That is not right. Something must be done about it. And our amendment is the first step in doing something about it. It's about taking the fact that the State of Connecticut is now holding on to taxpayer's money it doesn't need to because they've collected too much, and finding ways to give it back. On opening day, we offered an Amendment as mg/rr 49 that the Governor was granted in the form of a blank check. We offered an amendment to just give it back to the taxpayers as a rebate. No. Failed on a party line vote. And we're about to take another vote right now, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to vote right now on whether or not we're going to provide more than a billion dollars of actual tax relief to the Connecticut citizens who are struggling because this state is so unaffordable when the state is flushed with money. We're going to take that vote. And it's a very simple vote. If you think affordability is the real emergency in Connecticut that ought to be addressed and that people deserve to have some of their money come back to them, then you vote yes. If you think that the state should be spending money on new projects and expanding government with complete and utter disregard for how people are struggling, well, I guess then you vote no. And I encourage the people watching to pay very close attention to the board at the end of this vote, and you will know who's on your side to make Connecticut more affordable or not. Thank you very much, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Sampson. Will you remark further? Senator Berthel.

Senator Berthellegislator

Good afternoon, Madam President. I rise in support of the amendment. I would associate my remarks with those that have already been made by Senator Fazio and Senator Sampson. I think we have a genuine opportunity right now in this emergency situation that we're in to do something really good and to actually provide some relief to the citizens of our state from all four corners that are telling us they cannot afford Connecticut. mg/rr 50 Our lack of affordability, as much as there have been recent attempts to blame that on Washington DC, we can look way before November of last year, November of '24, excuse me, and see that there was a large affordability problem in Connecticut way before the new resident in the White House took office. So, I urge support of this amendment. I hope that my legislative colleagues will feel the same way. Thank you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? And we will go to Senator Harding when he gets to his seat. And then we will go to Senator Duff.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I do rise in strong support of my good colleague's amendment. Like others have said, you know, this is the real emergency. And I am proud to stand here today and address this as an emergency. As I mentioned before earlier, Madam President, we were addressing issues that I don't think have any direct correlation to emergent issues, even time sensitive issues, frankly, before us. And we are not doing our constituents a service. We're, in fact, doing them a disservice by not addressing the real emergency for them. Every single one of us around this circle, in every single district in the state, has heard from their constituents. They've gotten that terrible phone call talking about how they can't pay their electric bill. They've gotten that terrible phone call talking about how they can't pay their property taxes or their car property tax. They've gotten that terrible phone call talking about how they can't pay their income tax here in this state. How crippling it is to their small mg/rr 51 business. How their middle-class, working-class families just can't make ends meet. And that's the real emergency, because we've all heard about it. And I would argue to many, on most of the issues that we're voting on this "emergency bill", the underlying bill, Madam President, I don't think a lot of my constituents have contacted me on. Some of them maybe, some of the concepts, but I would say I haven't had a constituent contact me about an earmark. I can tell you that much. But I know that I've had a constituent contact me about their electric bill. I know I've had a constituent contact me about their taxes. I know I've had a constituent contact me about making that difficult decision about paying their medical bill or their mortgage because it's just so unaffordable in this state. We've seen every metric, every statistic to point to the fact that this state, something that we control within our state government, is the third highest tax burden, third highest property taxes, third highest electric bills. That's an emergency, Madam President. That's the emergency. So, I ask my colleagues to please adopt this measure. This would provide $1.5 billion in tax relief to the people of this state that desperately, desperately need it right now. Let's just send a message to our constituents back home. We care about them. We're here to help them get through this affordability crisis we have here in the State of Connecticut. Let's adopt this measure and address the real emergency. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Harding. Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President. I would mg/rr 52 urge my colleagues to vote no on the amendment. But I do welcome my colleagues on the other side of the aisle to the affordability agenda that Senate Democrats are putting forward this session. And I don't blame them for putting forward legislation to help ease the affordability issue here in our state because it is impacting Connecticut and impacting all the other states across this country. When we see prices have gone up for the average family $1,700 over the past year because of these illegal tariffs that have come through from our federal government, that raises those prices very high, whether it's for electricity, whether it's for groceries or health care, all number types of things. So, in that vein, I welcome them and I welcome their support on our agenda and hope that we'll have bipartisan votes when it comes time for that later this session. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? If not, I will open the voting machine and Mr. Clerk, please announce the vote on the amendment.

Clerklegislator

Immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the is not the bill. An immediate roll call vote in the 298. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate on Senate Amendment "A" of Senate Bill No. 298. This is not the bill, this is Senate Amendment "A". An immediate roll call vote in the

The Chairlegislator

Have all the Senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, please give us the tally, sir. mg/rr 53

Clerklegislator

number voting, 36. Total voting Yea, 11. Total voting Nay, 25. Absent not voting, 0.

The Chairlegislator

Amendment fails. Will you remark further on the bill before the chamber? Senator Berthel, good afternoon. And I would please ask our guests and members to please direct your attention to Senator Berthel because it is getting very loud in here.

Senator Berthellegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I rise to make a few comments about the bill before us and the process by which we got to this point in time today. Madam President, yesterday, the President of the United States, Donald Trump, delivered his second State of the Union address. He highlighted real successes in making America more affordable again. The facts are indisputable. The facts are also indisputable about the cost of living increasing in Connecticut way before November of 2024. Under the Biden administration, we saw a 9% inflation. We saw some of the highest cost ever for gasoline. I could go on. As articulated by Senator Fazio, today, our constituents are pleading for relief from the high cost of living, taxes, and more in Connecticut, in a Connecticut where the government is controlled by the majority Democrats. They're pleading with us to make Connecticut more affordable. And here we are today to pass an emergency certified bill that quite honestly does very little to make Connecticut more affordable. mg/rr 54 If we were here simply to talk about making changes to making Connecticut more affordable, I would agree wholeheartedly with the majority leader and the president of the Senate that that would be an emergency. Our session began on February 4th. It continues through May 6th. We are very much so in the regular process of the regular session, yet here we are exercising what's has been clearly explained in statute and in rule No. 9, the ability to pass a bill by E-Cert. And I think if we believe what has been stated by our democratic leaders, we are here in part because last June, Senate Republicans used the time-honored tradition of unlimited debate to stop what we believed was a bad bill. But today, according to the Speaker of the House, we face "consequences" for using unlimited debate. To my colleagues and me, this seems like revenge, like how dare you stop us when we have all the power? And that's a sad position for us to be in today. But here's the facts, Madam President. You were on the dais. I was standing here. Senator McCrory, the good chair of the Education Committee, was in his seat when we got notice in June that the education omnibus was going to be called. It raises some concern, and it did in that moment in time, as to why that bill sat on the Senate calendar marked go for more than four weeks. The Senate Democrats, who control what bills to call in this room, waited until there were only six hours left in the regular session to call the bill. That's a fact. And the question needs to be asked, Madam President, that needs to be asked is why. I won't ask the good chair of the Education Committee to offer an explanation. But it was very clear to me, at least in that moment back in June, on our last day with six hours on the clock left before sine die, that perhaps the Senate Democrats didn't like the education omnibus bill either. mg/rr 55 And as a matter of fact as well, I sat in the good Senator Anwar's seat next to the good Senator McCrory and spent more than an hour as the clock moved towards the midnight deadline attempting to salvage the omnibus bill. Senator McCrory and I agreed to about 12 sections of the bill that we thought our caucuses would be okay with. We could have had it redrafted, and we could have easily passed with little debate. When the compromise was discussed with the House Chair of the Education Committee, the Chair said, I quote, "It's all or nothing." And the rest is history. Parts of this bill that include the education component have been bouncing around this building for more than three years. They have gone through the very appropriate, deliberate, and traditional time-honored process of having been screened, having gone through a public hearing, being accepted by the members of the committee of cognizance. But they didn't fail -- they failed here in this Senate in Senate chamber. They didn't pass because there wasn't support. Today, those same pieces that have been bouncing around for all these years, some of them, get passed with no input from the public or legislators prior to a vote that we will take some time before the day runs out. And bills that were simply reconstituted from the pile of dead bills from prior sessions. And today, by declaring these bills emergencies, we see the most crucial parts of the legislative process deliberately and completely disregarded. The silencing of the voices of our constituents with no opportunity to testify for or against any of these policies and with no opportunity for legislators to be heard. All voices have been silenced. I don't want to hear, oh, it had a public hearing last year. When sine die happens, bills die. They don't just automatically get reconstituted at the convenience of the majority party. That's not the way it works. mg/rr 56 To me, it feels like legislative bullying, and it's an abuse of power and it's wrong. If these topics and ideas are so important that they need to be declared an emergency today, they should have been made a priority and pushed through the full and appropriate process of allowing all legislators to comment, the committees of cognizance to conduct hearings, and to do what is appropriate, and to allow feedback from the people that we represent. Today, the Democrat leaders demonstrated that the process of actually hearing the voices of all legislators and the people they represent simply doesn't matter. We have been silenced. Without it being spoken, the message to my Republican colleagues and the more than 1.2 million people that we represent across Connecticut is that you really don't care what you or your constituents have to say. It's a consequence of us exercising the Connecticut legislative tradition of unlimited debate in this institution. What a sad day for the people of Connecticut, truly. Madam President, in the spirit of affordability and a real reason to be here under an emergency certification, the Clerk is in possession of an amendment, LCO 2242. Madam Clerk, I ask the -- Madam President, excuse me, I ask the Clerk to please call the amendment.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

LCO No. 2242, Senate Amendment "B".

The Chairlegislator

Senator Berthel. mg/rr 57

Senator Berthellegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I move adoption of the amendment, waive the reading, and seek leave to summarize.

The Chairlegislator

Please do proceed to summarize, sir.

Senator Berthellegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, this is very simple. We're talking about affordability, and I will find it so incredibly discouraging if we cannot find a way to accept a simple amendment like this. This amendment would remove the sales tax that we collect on school supplies. Does not include electronic devices. It very simply reads backpacks, lunch boxes, notebooks, pens and pencils, crayons, erasers and paper purchased for school use. It does not include electronics such as computers or electronic devices. Madam President, we talk about unaffordability. We disagree on how we got to the unaffordability. I don't disagree. I know how we got here. I've been here 12 years. This is something that we can do. By the way, we already have a fiscal note from OFA. The amendment results in an estimated revenue loss of $13 million annually to the state by establishing a sales and use tax exemption on these supplies. $13 million, $13 million. When you look at our budget, it's a drop in the bucket and it saves some of the people that we care so much for and those that are pleading with us, pleading with us to provide us with a little bit of relief. School supplies, paper, pencils, the things that every child needs when they go back to school. And to take that sales tax off of it, $13 million loss in revenue. Madam President, I urge adoption of mg/rr 58 the amendment. And when the vote is taken, I ask that it be taken by roll call.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Berthel. Would you comment further on the amendment? Senator Harding.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I do want to thank my good colleague, my good neighbor in the 32nd District for proposing this very important amendment. You know, Senator Duff, in his comments, he did allude to the fact that, you know, the Senate Democrats have an affordability plan. This is actually one of their measures that we agree with. You know, in addition to the $1.5 billion tax relief plan that Senate Republicans just filed an amendment on or called an amendment on, and unfortunately, did not foresee a positive vote. We all voted yes, but unfortunately, did not pass. However, you know, as Senator Duff mentioned, you know, they have a number of proposals. They want to address the affordability. We believe, as the Senate Republican caucus, this is a real emergency. The affordability is the real emergency in our state. And we join with them in offering to reduce and eliminate the sales tax on school supplies. It's nice that everyone that was at the press conference on the Senate Democrat side just the other week promoting this provision, we would hope that we would all join together in a bipartisan fashion to address the real emergency, which is affordability, and remove the sales tax on school supplies. I would urge all of my colleagues, whether they were at the press conference or not, to stand behind what they have promoted and vote for this proposal to reduce or eliminate these sales tax on school mg/rr 59 supplies. It's a commonsense measure, as I said, to address the real emergency, and that is affordability. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I thank the Republican leader and Senator Bethel for this amendment. This one doesn't violate the revenue cap. So, it's a good measure that we have here. And so, I would encourage my colleagues to vote no on this one because of the fact that it is in Senate Bill 1 this year as the Senate Republican leader did say, my good friend. And that I would hope that when we do budget adjustments later this session, that we will receive their yes votes on it and we can make it a bipartisan agreement on sales tax reduction on school supplies. So, Madam President, I welcome them to this idea that we've already announced and look forward to their vote later on in the session. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further on the amendment before the chamber? If not, the machine is open. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the in the Senate. We're voting on Senate Amendment "B" of Senate Bill 298. Again, this is not the bill. This is Senate Amendment "B" of Senate Bill No. 298. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the mg/rr 60 298. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the Senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, kindly give us the tally on the amendment, sir.

Clerklegislator

voting Yea, 11. Total voting Nay, 25. Absent not voting, 0.

The Chairlegislator

Amendment fails. Will you remark further?

Senator Berthellegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I'm disappointed that --

The Chairlegislator

Senator Berthel.

Senator Berthellegislator

Oh, my apologies.

The Chairlegislator

No worries.

Senator Berthellegislator

Madam President, I'm disappointed the amendment failed. I guess I'll hold out hope that perhaps as we move through the legislative session. Madam mg/rr 61 President, I'd like to yield to Senator Perillo of the 21st District.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Perillo.

Senator Perillolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I appreciate it. It has been stated that we are here to deal with an emergency. And I have no problem with that because there are some things that are truly emergent. There are problems in the State of Connecticut that need to be tackled, and that's our job. But when I look at the bill that's before us today, I see a lot that is hardly an emergency. The emergency is affordability. The emergency is that folks who live here right in our communities are finding it difficult to get through the day, the week, the month financially. And I'll tell you what doesn't help them. What doesn't help them is what's in this bill. It doesn't help our neighbors, our constituents to spend millions of more dollars in earmarks on organizations we know nothing about. Again, that's their money, not our money. But we're here, and we have an opportunity. And I hear from all of my constituents, but especially senior citizens, that they're having a hard time, Madam President. That they're finding it difficult to pay their bills every month. And we have an opportunity to do something about that. We have an opportunity to help senior citizens. And with that, Madam President, the Clerk is in possession of an amendment. It is LCO 2244. I ask that he please call, and I be granted leave to summarize.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Mr. Clerk. mg/rr 62

Clerklegislator

LCO No. 2244, Senate Amendment "C".

The Chairlegislator

Senator Perillo.

Senator Perillolegislator

Madam President, thank you very much. The amendment is very, very simple, but it has tremendous impact on one of our most vulnerable communities, our senior citizens. We have, in the past, eliminated some of the taxes on social security here in Connecticut, but not all. But not all. But we can do that. We can alleviate the burden of taxes on social security for all of our senior citizens here in the state. And Madam President, that is what this Amendment does. It eliminates all taxes on social security for every single senior here in Connecticut. And the beauty, Madam President, is it's not expensive. $54 million in the current year. $54 million in our budget of billions and billions is nothing. We would absorb it. We'd barely know it as a government. But I'll tell you what, we'd barely feel it, but our constituents certainly would. Our constituents certainly would. They would feel that benefit in their everyday life. Madam President, that is what this amendment does. It gives seniors the opportunity to gain a benefit to make Connecticut more affordable for them. Madam President, I would move adoption.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. We will now have any debate on the amendment. Would you remark on the amendment? mg/rr 63

Senator Perillolegislator

Madam President.

Senator Perillolegislator

Thank you. I appreciate the indulgence. I would ask, though, that when the vote be taken, it be taken by roll.

The Chairlegislator

You will have a roll call vote, Senator Perillo. Senator Sampson, take a breath.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I rise in strong support of the amendment that is on the board. I want to thank my colleague, Senator Perillo, for bringing out this very important amendment that I think addresses the true emergency that we've already discussed here in the State of Connecticut, which is not the contents of the underlying bill that we are debating, but rather the ability of people in our state to be able to afford to live here. And one of the most hardest hit segments of our population are senior citizens. Do you know that across America, there are states that do not tax income from social security? Of course, Connecticut is not one of them, but Connecticut should be one of them. One of the very first bills I've put in when I first was elected to the State House, and I've been putting it in every year as a proposal is to eliminate the tax on all retirement income, on social security, on pensions, everything else. mg/rr 64 And the reason for that is very simple. We want people to not only live here, to work here, to raise a family here, but we also want them to be able to retire in the great State of Connecticut. But sadly, many and many Connecticut residents are being forced to leave their hometowns after living a whole life in Connecticut. There are people that are now faced with a local tax burden in the form of property taxes, income taxes on social security income, and everything else costing so much in the State of Connecticut, including energy prices, that they can no longer sustain a life in Connecticut. It's one of the saddest things that you can think of is that people that have lived their whole life here, who've contributed to what Connecticut is, that they feel that they're better off moving to South Carolina or Florida or some other place just because of the cost of living. That is a tragedy, Madam President, and it's one that we can fix right here and right now. Very simply, this amendment eliminates the income tax on social security income, which would create a situation where so many senior citizens in our state would have just a little extra layer of security in the amount of money that they have to live on each month. That might be the difference of them being able to retire and live out their years in our beautiful state. I can't imagine why there's such a strong impediment, particularly for, when you put it in the terms of our entire state budget, a relatively small amount of money. This should have happened a long, long time ago. And I'm proud to stand here in support of this amendment with my Republican colleagues. We believe that this is the way to go to address the real emergency that people in Connecticut are facing. Think about people that even work for the State of Connecticut. They're being compensated out of the mg/rr 65 tax dollars that everyone here pays, but then they take their retirement income that they get in the form of a pension or something to another state. And why would they do that? It's because it's not affordable to live here. We can take a small step towards fixing that with this amendment. This is addressing the real emergency people are facing, and I don't think too many people are facing it in more significant a way than the senior citizens that live in every one of our towns. Let's help them. Another very straightforward, short amendment, an up or down vote. If you believe we should eliminate the tax on social security income and help seniors live in Connecticut and make it a little bit more affordable for them, you vote yes. If you don't think that matters, if you think collecting that relatively small amount of money helps our state budget, but is a huge amount of money to these individuals, then you vote no, I guess. I want the people of Connecticut to watch this board closely and know who's on what side of that issue. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Sampson. Will you remark further on the amendment? Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Can we stand at ease for a moment?

The Chairlegislator

We will stand at ease. Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I rise mg/rr 66 and urge my colleagues to vote no on this amendment. And again, welcome my colleagues on the other side of the aisle to the affordability agenda that Senate Democrats have put forward. And this is a part of our Senate Bill 1, which we will work to enact later this session with our budget adjustments, and would hope that at that time when that vote is taken, it will be a bipartisan vote. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Duff. Will you remark further on the amendment? If not, a roll call vote has been requested. The board is open. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the the Senate. We're voting on Senate Amendment "C". This is not the bill. This is Senate Amendment "C" of Senate Bill No. 298. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate on Senate Amendment "C" of Senate Bill No. 298.

The Chairlegislator

No problem. Have all the Senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, would you kindly give us the tally on the amendment, sir?

Clerklegislator

number voting, 36. Total voting Yea, 11. Total voting Nay, 25. Absent not voting, 0.

The Chairlegislator

Amendment fails. Will you remark further on the legislation? Senator Sampson. Yes, Senator Sampson, mg/rr 67 you have the floor. And I will ask our Senate colleagues if they would please direct their attention to you, sir. You have the floor.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. Good to see you up there. I rise in strong opposition to the legislation before us, not particularly because of the content of the legislation itself, although there are items which I think run the full gamut of passable, terrible, and maybe somewhere in between. I rise primarily to discuss the process that we are being faced with today, or maybe better to say lack of process. I don't know if the people in this chamber are aware that today is the --

The Chairlegislator

Senator Sampson, I'm just going to stop you for one moment because we're going to get the amendment off the board. There you -- and we'll let you continue. Sorry about that. Please proceed, sir.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. Once again, I rise in opposition to the bill before us. Earlier, we heard the Minority Leader of the State Senate, Senator Harding, make a very, very important statement about how the proceedings today do not follow the typical order of this legislature or any legitimate legislature in history in my view. What's going on is something I like to refer to as convenience government. The fact is that the majority fully knows, they know in their hearts and their minds that they are not following the process as designed. Everyone knows what that process is. Bills are proposed by individual lawmakers, maybe at the request of their constituents. Those bills are assigned to various committees. Those committees mg/rr 68 meet. They debate the subject. The public is invited to comment on those bills. There is a process by which things are changed, improved. And ultimately after that process, and only after that process is completed, do bills end up in the House or Senate chamber for a final up or down vote, and then potentially off to the Governor to be signed into law. What we're witnessing today is a complete undermining of that process. None of that is happening today. There are no public hearings for the items that are on this agenda. If someone says there's a public hearing, well, it was probably a public hearing that happened a year ago on something similar. That's not the same thing. It was also noted that we are in the middle of the legislative session. It's not uncommon, although almost is inappropriate, for the majority to bring us in when we're not in session for a special session to pass emergency certified legislation as well. But here we are, totally different story. There are hearings going on almost every day in this legislature. Just yesterday, I was in three public hearings in three committees. Some of these very items could have been addressed by those committees, and yet they were not. It makes one wonder why it is the majority feels the need to put a stamp on legislation, to put a whole bunch of items together that are completely unrelated, and then call it an emergency, when in fact no one can justify that. I defy anyone in this chamber to get up and explain to me how any one of these items is a true emergency for the people of Connecticut. It's just not. I started to say that today is the one-year anniversary of a similar bill. If you go back to 02/25/2025, one year ago today, we were brought in here for a similar purpose to pass another emergency certified bill. That one was similar in some ways, and it was chock-full of earmarks to nongovernment mg/rr 69 organizations, some of them of questionable integrity. At least at the time that we were voting on it, no one could identify where that money was going or who these organizations were. There were exceptions, of course. There were some legitimate organizations on the list like Boys and Girls Clubs and the Jewish Federation. But then there were other items that to this day, I still can't identify where that tax dollars of the people I represent have gone off to. That bill also contained a plethora of political, items, including a way to take a slap at the President of the United States about ICE entering schools, something that was not going on at the time in Connecticut. Didn't go on before that. Hasn't gone on since. But yet, a political bill with earmarks, emergency certified, no legislative process was brought before us back on February 25th of last year. And here we are again doing the same kind of thing. And in my view, fake emergency bills designed to circumvent the legislative process should not have an anniversary. It's almost like it's earmarks giving, and that's something that should not become a reality. This is becoming a pattern. It's happened a few times over the years. I remember during the pandemic, coming in here every month or so, for a special session as the Governor extended his emergency powers. Another entirely unjustified action. But same situation, complete and utter disregard for the legislative process and for common decency. But now we have a pattern. We have a pattern where this majority doesn't feel the need to go through the process anymore, and they're almost always the same. You have a massive omnibus bill that's chock-full of whatever random items that people feel the need to put in there because they don't want to go through the legislative process. mg/rr 70 They don't want to deal with the public or the committee debate where there's a possibility for change or for an opposition or an advocacy organization to speak up and maybe put pressure on preventing something from happening. No. It's a lot easier. It's a lot more convenient to go ahead and do it as an emergency certified bill. This also means that we in the minority have almost no time to review these items. I got the legislation that is before us last night at 10:42 PM. That's what time the email came in to me. And I stayed up for a few hours trying to make heads or tails out of it, but there was one bill for 121 pages, mostly about topics that I'm not really familiar with. And another separate bill, I think was around 30 or 40 pages, which we'll hear later on today. But this does not afford the minority, the public, the media. The people of Connecticut deserve better. They deserve to be able to know what is going on in their legislature. That's how our system works, folks. The great thing about this beautiful and wonderful country we live in, if there's one key ingredient, it is representative government. It is the fact that the people have the power. They elect each of us to come here and represent them. In my view, representing my constituents means being honest with them, speaking truth to them about what is happening and what we're voting on, and truly representing their interests by being informed about what is happening so that I can make intelligent decisions about how to vote on the policy of the State of Connecticut. That cannot happen under emergency certification. And sure, we have rules that allow for emergency certification. Those rules are there for a reason. But the reason is not convenience, Madam President. The reason is a natural disaster, a financial collapse, something that any person on the street mg/rr 71 would recognize as an actual emergency, a disaster where the legislature has to convene immediately to make something happen, to direct funds, to save people's lives, to rebuild infrastructure, something like that. Not to play games with the budget and come up with some earmarks for some non-government organizations, or to make minor changes to school construction rules, or to create education mandates, or to add more regulation onto warehouse workers in the State of Connecticut, driving up the cost of doing business here, potentially putting businesses out of business or at least workers out of a job only to be replaced by robots. Making a change so that a specific person can actually continue a job as a chief administrator. Or to challenge the federal government's desire to have a copy of our voter registration list so that they can track legal immigration. That's the things that are in the underlying bill, ladies and gentlemen. Do any of those sound like emergencies? Certainly, any one of those things could be worthy of a conversation. They're certainly worthy of a public hearing where the people can weigh in and decide whether these things have value and whether a policy should be adopted for them, but these are not emergencies. There's no national disaster. The reason why this is happening, the reason why the majority is doing this is because they can. Because they can. Because they can. And you know why they can? They can because, sadly, there is not enough pressure being brought to bear by the people of this state, the news media that's watching this Senate session, to hold this government accountable to the people and their responsibility to do representation as intended. They are getting away with this, in my view, because they can. mg/rr 72 Having one party in power for literal decades where they get to take advantage of the rules in every conceivable way. In fact, ignore the rules on a consistent basis. I could make your hair curl talking about the things that I have witnessed in this legislature because they can. Because not enough people are coming out and saying, you know, that's not right. You know, if you're going to pass a bill on this, you need to have a hearing. People need to be aware of what is happening. We need to debate this thoroughly. As long as folks are being elected and reelected by ignoring the legislative process, ignoring a substantial portion of the population because they're represented by Republicans, as long as that continues, they will continue to do this because they can. I'm begging my colleagues to recognize that this is not to anyone's benefit. Politics over time changes. There is going to be a shift someday. Can't happen soon enough for me, but there's going to be a shift someday, and the parties in power might change. And what will be the terrible, terrible effect of that is that the precedent will already be set that the majority party, whoever that is on any given day, can utterly ignore the will of the people, the will of the minority, any sense of reason or justice, and do things because they can. That's the tragedy in all of this. And frankly, I don't want to serve in a majority like that. If I served in a majority, I would still have respect for the fact that the people that I disagree with and the minority on some issues are represented by people. And they were put there for a purpose. And that their voice has value. But unfortunately, all I've got today is my voice. Let's see how much value it has. When you have an emergency certified bill with no basis of an emergency, effectively, the majority can mg/rr 73 put anything they want in it. In some sense, I consider myself lucky that there's not more items in this bill that I take objection to. There are some that I certainly take objection to. There is a section I mentioned about warehouse workers. This is a bill that's been around in this legislature for the last several years that is going to do a significant amount of damage to several industries, companies that actually employ people that work in warehouses as personnel. This could be something, you know, like Amazon or could be a big box store like a Costco, or it could even be a delivery company like a FedEx or UPS. And you know what happens when you start to put this additional burdensome regulation on these companies? They make choices. And some of the choices they make do not benefit the people of Connecticut. I mean, they can move. They can just say, you know what? We're not going to put our facility in Connecticut anymore. We're not going to choose to put our next facility there. We might take the facility we have and move it to a different state. As long as I've been in this legislature, I have been watching companies leave Connecticut. I can't recall the last time there was a giant front page story about a company coming to Connecticut. I've watched lots of them leave, though. I've watched this Governor and the previous Governor try and keep companies. You can just name them: GE, Alexion, Pharmaceutical. I mean, you name all the companies, the first five, all the various corporate welfare efforts that have gone on over the years to try and keep these companies in Connecticut, but you know what? They continue to exit instead of enter, and the reason why is because of policies like this. This is a bill that was vetoed by the Governor. And you're going to bring it back, and you're going to put it in an emergency certified bill while there's hearings mg/rr 74 going on, while there was a Labor Committee public hearing yesterday that this bill could have been on the agenda? Talk about disrespecting the process and everybody involved in it. It's an absurdity. There's another bill, the pension offset bill. I don't know what section it is off the top of my head. This is a lot to make heads or tails out of in short order. But this is a situation where you have another bill that has been debated in this legislature for at least the last five sessions, possibly more. I serve as a ranking member of the Labor Committee, and I've been involved in those debates. This is a bill that effectively undermines collective bargaining by taking away the right of labor unions to determine what benefits they wish to negotiate for with municipalities. So, it hurts them. And guess what? It also hurts the taxpayers because ultimately, what it does is it awards the employee side of the negotiation in a contract with the municipality benefits that they didn't have before, which will ultimately mean more property taxes for every citizen of this state. Of course, they don't want to debate that. They don't want to have a public hearing about that conversation. They know, nobody wants to talk about, gee, you know, this might have an impact on property taxes. Why would you want to do that? Whole lot easier, whole lot more convenient to slap it in an emergency certified bill and pass it, isn't it? And that's what's going on here. It's all about convenience. It's all about, gee, you know, that old legislative process, boy, it's awful clunky. You know, we'd have to actually listen to people. We'd have to get their opinions on things. People might disagree over it. Boy, would that be terrible to have to put up with that. It's a whole lot easier to just slam it through, emergency certified. Bang the gavel. Madam President, I have a few questions mg/rr 75 about the first few sections of the bill regarding what is referred to as budget provisions and some dollar amounts that are being afforded to various entities. Who can I ask these questions to?

The Chairlegislator

I think that would be Senator Osten, so we may have to stand at ease while we find her to do that. So, we'll stand at ease. Senator Sampson, proceed. And Senator Osten, prepare yourself. We'll get your microphone on. There you go.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. So, the very few first sections of this bill are labeled budget provisions. And if I can actually just find the page of my document where I have all this. Okay. I think it starts on page two. There are, in the very first few sections, something that we refer to as earmarks, which are effectively set asides. These are dollar amounts that are just named in a bill, typically a budget bill, but they can also show up in an emergency certified bill that is circumventing the budget process like today. And these are items where we're just directing money. The sum of X amount of dollars will be given to X entity. And this is something that we've come accustomed to, unfortunately, in recent years where the majority is placing these earmarks in emergency certified bills or even in a budget without any public hearing process ahead of time. Now, normally, I would say that if you were trying to do legislation the right way, before the State of Connecticut awarded someone's tax money, the people back home that I represent, we ought to tell them exactly who this entity is and why we're giving them the money, who asked for the money. They should know these things, right? mg/rr 76 But when you just stick in an emergency certified bill, there's only one chance to get any of that information, and that's right now. Right now is the only chance we're going to have. There's no hearing. This was never put before any committee. It's just now is our chance to ask these questions. So, I just want to ask, and I want to state for the record that not all of these are necessarily bad things. You know, some of these items go to perfectly legitimate companies, organizations, boys and girls clubs I mentioned. That's fine. I got no issue with that, although I do believe that they should still go through the process. We should know what the money is going to be used for. We should know which lawmakers have asked for it and why. There should be some mechanism to audit those dollars to make sure they're actually used for that purpose, right? So, a number of these items are enumerated on the first few pages of the bill, and the first one I want to ask about is in Section 6. And it's simply because I don't know what this organization is. This is on lines 28 through 31 of the bill. It says the sum of $70,000 is appropriated to the judicial department under other expenses, and it shall be made available for a grant to the Village Initiative Project. So, through you, Madam President, can I ask the good chairman of the Appropriations Committee what this organization is, where it's located, who's asked for this grant, and what is the purpose of the money, the $70,000, through you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Osten.

Senator Ostenlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. And through you, the Village Initiative Project is a college prep program that is located in Bridgeport. It clarifies the intent that $70,000 previously mg/rr 77 appropriated through the judicial branch's OE line must be granted to the Village Initiative Project. So, this is clarifying language for something that happened last year in the biennial budget to clarify that this program is by this name, located in Bridgeport, and that it is a college preparatory program, through you, Madam President. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Sampson.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I appreciate the good chairman of the Appropriations Committee for that answer. But can I have the rest of the information too? Which is who asked for this particular item to appear in today's document? And what is this money going to be used for? I know you said a college preparatory program, but is it for a salary for someone who's helping assist college preparation, or is it for scholarships? What's it for, through you?

The Chairlegislator

Senator Osten.

Senator Ostenlegislator

Thank you very much. I have no idea who asked for this to be in today's document. It is not something that I am privy with. And relative to what this program will use it for is to get more students to go through the college preparatory program in Bridgeport, through you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Sampson. mg/rr 78

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I don't mean to be a pill. I really don't. But when the purpose is to get more people to go through this college preparatory program, that's not really an answer. What is the money used for? How are we going to get more students to go through this program, through you?

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Osten.

Senator Ostenlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. And through you, the program will then have more resources available to allow more students to come through their program, through you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Sampson.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. Forgive me, this is a very uncomfortable position to be in. I will let folks who are watching know that I'm asking questions, and I have a lot of respect for my colleague. But clearly, I don't think she knows the real answer to the question I'm asking, which is why I'm getting kind of a circular answer about, well, it's to help this program. Well, it's to aid more in helping the program. It's not -- Senator, this money is going to be used to pay a salary for an individual whose day-to-day operation would include XYZ. That's what I need. I want the people who are watching, and they should be watching this in a public hearing through the legislative process, but instead we're doing it on mg/rr 79 the Senate floor today. But the people deserve to know what this is. They should be able to judge whether this is good or bad. And also importantly, I should be able to judge whether it's good or bad. Madam President, I have to vote on this. I have to decide whether this is something legitimate to vote yes on or no. How do I do that when I can't know the information? What's even more concerning is how can people that are in the majority that put this bill together vote on it? Maybe you have to care about what's actually in the bill to be concerned about whether or not it's a good expenditure. Let's just move on to the next one. How about this? This is interesting. And I want to just make a clarification. I know the good chairman mentioned that this item was contained in the budget, but it was contained in the budget in other vague terms and for an entirely different amount. And to this day, no one's actually discussed on the record in any way, shape or form how that money is going to be used in any specificity that could matter to anyone. And this is a similar item. This is Section 7, and this is another -- we're grabbing from the other expenses line of the Office on Policy Management, two and a half million dollars. And I know that this was already stated to be $3.2 million or something in a budget document previously. But it still begs the question, $2.5 million shall be made available, get this folks, for outdoor recreation in the City of Hartford. So, through you, Madam President, I would like the same questions. Who is asking for this? I don't think we got that on the last one. Who is asking, which lawmaker? Who in this room? There's 36 Senators. This just didn't appear magically. Someone asked for it. Who was that? And what's this money going to be used for? Two and a half million dollars for outdoor recreation. I mean, are we buying people mg/rr 80 basketballs or tennis rackets? I mean, it's a lot of basketballs. Two and a half million dollars of taxpayer money, people who work very hard for, that comes out of their paychecks. Through you, Madam President, can I just ask who sponsored this? What is the money for, through you?

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Osten.

Senator Ostenlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. Again, I don't know who sponsored this particular dollar amount, but outdoor recreation in the City of Hartford, this helps cover the costs of students to attend outdoor recreation, allowing them to attend programs all summer long, through you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Sampson.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I hope that people are watching or listening very carefully to my questions and the answers. Are the answers in line with my questions? Is there enough specificity there to satisfy anyone of where two and a half million tax dollars are going to vanish off to in some black hole? I don't think so. I'm just curious, through you, Madam President. You said you weren't certain who asked for this. Who makes the decision of whether it actually ends up in this document, through you, Madam President?

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Osten. mg/rr 81

Senator Ostenlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I believe that there were questions from agencies on where certain dollars were going. And so, I believe that this is an answer to some of those questions, through you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Sampson.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I'm not having a good batting average here. I think I would be certainly sent back to the minors based on how I'm getting as far as my answers to my questions, but I'm going to try one more. There are a number of these items, but I think folks that are watching get the picture, but we'll just ask one more for the heck of it. Section 11 of the bill. And, of course, we didn't have to dig far. I think I'm on page 2 of a 121-page document. This says that $330,000 from the Department of Economic Development, from their other expenses line, should go to a grant to an organization called Our Piece of the Pie. $330,000 is a pretty sizable piece of pie in my view. And I would love to know exactly who this organization is, who asked for this particular earmark, what the money will be used for. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Osten.

Senator Ostenlegislator

I'm sorry, Madam President. mg/rr 82

The Chairlegislator

We can have Senator Sampson re-ask that.

Senator Ostenlegislator

Could you please just give me the reader's digest version of what you just said? Which question were you asking again, sir? I apologize.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I'd be delighted to repeat the question. I'm now on page 2 of the 121-page document. Under Section 11, which specifies that $330,000 hard-earned dollars taken in the form of taxation from the residents of Connecticut will be used to go to provide a grant to an organization called Our Piece of the Pie. And I'd just be curious what this organization is, what activities are they involved in, who once again asked for this legislation? And finally, how is this money going to be used, through you?

The Chairlegislator

Senator Osten.

Senator Ostenlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. Our Piece of the Pie is a youth service organization. It's actually been in many parts of the state right now. It is mostly in the Hartford area. It's a youth services organization. It works with a lot of at- risk youth to get them through, and sometimes educational shortfalls that they may be having. And they used to be down in Norwich. They don't happen to be down in Norwich anymore, but they used to be in Norwich. And this $330,000 is to extend programming to other youth in the Hartford area serving the Greater mg/rr 83 Hartford region. And so, sort of to talk about the question that's relative to who, when, where did this come from, this is looking at questions that agencies have had for our biennial budget. And those items could have come from the Governor's office, they could have come from the House, they could have come from the Senate. So, I don't know exactly where these individual items came from on any one of these questions, through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Sampson.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I think that was very informative. Well, maybe it was very instructive rather than informative. I mean, we know that this organization, Our Piece of the Pie, was no longer in Norwich. That was very helpful. We don't know where they're located now, though, do we? Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Osten.

Senator Ostenlegislator

Yes. Thank you very much, Madam President. They're in the Hartford region. Hartford and the surrounding communities. They serve students in the surrounding communities based in Hartford, through you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Sampson.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I want to just quickly pause and say I mean no disrespect to the mg/rr 84 recipients of these dollars, by the way. They may do tremendous work. You know, the question is not whether or not these are legitimate items, although that question has come up and I think it's going to come up a whole lot more as we begin to dig into these a little bit more thoroughly. But the issue is not whether they are actually doing good work. It's about whether or not we know what the heck they're doing before we cast a vote, whether we've actually done our homework, whether we've actually represented our constituents. That representation requires that we know, in my view. I don't like to cast votes on legislation I've not seen. If anyone's followed me over the years, I make a big stink when we are given legislation moments before we are requested to vote on it. And this is a similar situation. I got this bill last night. This is the first time I've ever heard of Our Piece of the Pie. And now I may be asked to vote yes or no about giving them $330,000. These might be the most magnificent people in all of America, but I don't know that. We also were informed that the money was requested for this organization by maybe someone in the House or maybe someone in the Senate, maybe someone from the moon. We don't know. You've got no answer. And again, no disrespect to my colleague, but that's not good enough. That is not good enough. Before any money comes from the hardworking people that I represent back home, and that's Republicans and Democrats, that's everybody, they deserve to know how we're spending it. They need to know who asked for it, who approved it, what it's for in some element of detail other than, "Well, it's being used for good, Senator. We promise." Because we've been down this road so many times in recent years, this is almost like a repeat of last February 25th as I started my remarks. In mg/rr 85 fact, if you want to go on YouTube and go watch the debate from February 25th of 2025 about earmarks, you're going to hear me asking a lot of the same questions and complaining that I'm not getting the answers. We've also held several press conferences in this building in front of the media explaining our dissatisfaction with the lack of answers and the concern over the fact that this money could not be using for corrupt purposes. Does that make sense? Could be used for corrupt purposes, could not be? You get the picture. We don't know what it's being used for. And the fact of the matter is we deserve to know. But you see, the majority, frankly, they don't care. They didn't matter that I questioned this last time. It didn't matter that we held several press conferences. It doesn't matter that we're here today making a big argument over it. It doesn't matter. It's only going to matter when the people of Connecticut are tired of it. I don't know when that's going to happen. I don't. I hope it happens today. It should have happened a long time ago in my mind. People need to start caring about what their representatives are doing. And guess what? When that happens, those representatives are going to care about what those people think. Until then, they're going to do things like this because they can. So, with that, Madam President, I'm going to make an effort to improve this situation. The Clerk is in possession of an amendment. It's LCO 2258. I ask that the Clerk call this Amendment, and I be given leave of the chamber to summarize.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Mr. Clerk. mg/rr 86

Clerklegislator

LCO No. 2258, Senate Amendment "D".

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator -- Yeah. Let's get it on the board and then Senator Sampson, you may proceed as soon as we have the amendment number. Senator Sampson.

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. This amendment is entire -- well, actually, the amendment title is the same as the bill title. I apologize. We refer to this as our earmark improvement amendment inside the corruption. It's designed to improve transparency. It's designed to allow the people of Connecticut to make sure that they have the necessary information about what is happening in their state government. I will just briefly go through some of the requirements that are going to be initiated with this amendment, which is that if there are future earmark requests similar to the ones we've been talking about, the information will have to be submitted by the member of this legislature asking for it to the Appropriations Committee with a written request that includes the amount of funds requested, the necessity for those amounts that are requested, a clear description of the public purpose for which this money is being used. And I'll just make a side note that some of my concern is that I feel that some of this money is being directed to organizations that are not using it for a public purpose. They may, in fact, be using it for political advocacy, which would be a complete and utter misuse of taxpayer money. mg/rr 87 That request should also include the requester, the person who's actually asking for it. It's one of the biggest concerns I have is that the few items that I asked the good chairman about, we did not find out who actually asked for this money. There's an investigation going on right now about a similar earmark that may result in some sort of significant, I don't know what to refer to it as. A finding of fact in a court of law is probably the safest thing I could say at this point. But there's a concern over who's asking for these things to determine whether or not they're actually being directed or misdirected. We don't want that. And there should also be a certification by that person requesting it that they, their family members, or in any business which they are associated have no financial interest in where this money is being directed. There's going to be a requirement that there will be a public hearing associated with each one of these requests. And if a third-party recipients receives the funds, ultimately not the person necessarily listed, then they have to enter into an actual contract that states the provisions, which are identical to everything that we've just discussed. The grant recipients would also have to state whether or not they have any convictions of its officers or board members or anyone else associated with the organization about any financially related crimes. And finally, they would have to submit to random audits of that money to make sure that it's actually being used for the stated purpose. For me, this is the baseline of what ought to be required. This is not some tremendous overreach, digging into people's private business. This is the bare minimum of what the people I represent deserve to have before their tax money is being used and given to someone else in my view. And with that, Madam President, I would mg/rr 88 move adoption of this amendment, and I'd ask for a roll call vote. Thank you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. We will have a roll call vote when we vote on the amendment. Will you remark further? Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I would urge my colleagues to vote no, though I would say that this is an area of particular interest to legislation. And as we've talked about today, this concept, there's a bill already that's moving through the process, through public hearings and will be voted on by this chamber at some point before the legislative session ends. And I would hope that there would be a bipartisan vote on this idea as well because it is something that is important to our caucus, this side of the aisle as well and one that we feel does deserve to go through the process so we can hear from the public, we can hear input, we can make the idea better, and one that we feel is very important as well. So, look forward to having a strong vote when the bill makes its way through the process later on this session. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further on the amendment? If not, the machine is open. Mr. Clerk, kindly call the vote on the amendment.

Clerklegislator

An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the mg/rr 89 been ordered in the Senate on Senate Amendment "D". This is not the bill. We're voting on Senate Amendment "D" of Senate Bill No. 298. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate on Senate Amendment "D" of Senate Bill No. 298. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate. Let me practice it again. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the the Senate.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the Senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, would you please give us the tally?

Clerklegislator

Total Number Voting 36 Total Voting Yea 11 Total Voting Nay 25 Absent not voting 0

The Chairlegislator

Amendment fails. Will you remark further on the bill? Senator Sampson?

Senator Sampsonlegislator

Thank you very much for the recognition, Madam President. I'm disappointed, though I have to admit I'm not surprised that we saw yet another 25 to 11 vote, which coincidentally is the makeup of the line decision once again. I appreciate Senator Duff rising to express his desire for continued work on this topic, although I find it a little bit hypocritical, frankly, and a little ironic to be saying that these are good mg/rr 90 ideas, but not right now, when in fact we're voting on emergency certified bill that I would say maybe these are good ideas, but we should have the hearings due. So, I suppose what's good for the majority is not good for anyone else. It goes back to my arguments about because they can. And I just want to close on that note, which is, you know, emergency certification. Any person on the street, and if you just told them without any direct knowledge of the legislature, just their expectation as an American, as an American citizen, knowing that they vote for people, they send them to a legislature to work on their behalf, if you just asked them and said, hey, you know, the legislature is meeting to pass bills under what's called an emergency certification. You know, what do you think their reaction would be if I told them that there's no natural disaster, there's no financial collapse imminent, there's no deadline for compliance with the federal government, there's no impending legal crisis. There's nothing going on. The legislature's in session. They're having other hearings and meetings, like everything's going on. And these are a bunch of random bills which, by the way, we were informed that most of these items were selected because they were items that did not materialize in the last session. In other words, they made it through the legislative process. They were voted on by one chamber or the other. But then they ultimately stalled and were not passed by the other chamber. There's only one reason why that happens, Madam President, and that is because the majority did not prioritize these items. The legislative cycle is a specified amount of time. It starts on a certain day. It ends on a date certain as well. We call it sine die. And we have a back and forth about the legislation that's going to pass every cycle, and it mg/rr 91 involves the majority party determining what their priorities are, and the minority determining what our priorities are as far as what we like and what we don't like. And certainly, we're going to stand in the way of legislation that we don't agree with. And sometimes we're successful in that regard by stopping what we would consider to be bad bills. Think about just how much in defiance of the spirit of the legislative process that recognizes the minority's ability to speak and use time as its only tool for preventing the majority from advancing policy, to come back almost like a slap across the face to say, you know what, you guys were really good last session by stopping some of the bills that we wanted because we couldn't prioritize them well or we wanted to do more than we had time for. To come back and slap it in an emergency certified bill with no hearings and just jam it through. And that's what today is, folks. It's jam it through because we can day. We should have no more jam it through because we can days, Madam President. I certainly hope that people are watching, for once. Thank you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? Senator Kissel, good afternoon, sir.

Senator Kissellegislator

Good afternoon, Madam President. Great to see you once again. I have two matters that I've been charged with following up on. The first one has to do with the warehouse portion of the underlying bill. I had spoken earlier outside the chamber with Senator Kushner, and I have a couple of quick questions to be directed at her. So, Mr. Majority Leader, can we just stand at ease. mg/rr 92

The Chairlegislator

Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. We'll stand at ease for a moment.

The Chairlegislator

We'll stand at ease, sir.

Senator Berthellegislator

Madam President?

The Chairlegislator

Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Thanks, Senator Kissel, for his indulgence, and I yield back to him.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Kissel.

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President, and thank you, Mr. Majority Leader, Senator Duff. This is probably appropriately directed towards Senator Kushner as she brought out the portion of the bill having to do with the warehouses and the individuals located therein. And I was informed earlier today by one of my constituents and colleagues, Senator, I mean, Representative Tami Zawistowski, who represents Suffield with myself and indeed not that long ago, the good Lieutenant Governor. And Representative mg/rr 93 Zawistowski and myself were there for National Milk Day. But Rep. Zawistowski informs me that within our district in Suffield, and actually a portion thereof, not contiguous, obviously, but actually encompassing land and facilities in Senator Osten's district. It is essentially a large greenhouse facility employing folks associated with agriculture. And so, I would direct Senator Kushner to line 1330 of the underlying bill regarding warehouse distribution centers. And my staff has taken time this afternoon to check with the North American list of industry classifications, went through that and could not find anything touching greenhouse, large greenhouses, within the areas that are touched by the underlying bill. And so, I just want to get it on the record that to the extent that she may or may not know, but is it her opinion that these agricultural employees and large-scale facilities that are classified as agricultural for greenhouse or greenhouses, are not covered in this underlying bill, through you, Madam President?

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Kushner.

Senator Kushnerlegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Through you, a warehouse distribution center or complex as referenced in this bill I think is further aided by certain of these NAICS codes. And I don't believe any of them specify in their coding anything in relationship to agriculture. However, I would say that it would most likely depend on the specifics of that particular operation. It wouldn't be known to me or probably to you whether or not they actually warehouse agricultural mg/rr 94 products. And I think that might be required that someone in an official position, maybe if it ever came to adjudication, that a judge would determine that. But the bill is very clear that it covers warehouse workers, and they are most often found in these codes, although I could imagine there could be other codes that could cover them as well. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Kissel.

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President, and thank you Senator Kushner. That's exactly my reading of the underlying bill and the codes. My staff, I want to thank them. Went through probably about eight different codes. They don't encompass the greenhouse facilities and the agricultural employees. But I agree with Senator Kushner, the enterprise that's being referenced here, which I won't mention specifically, they have staff attorneys, I'm sure, or outside counsel that they can go and do their research and determine whether this encompasses them or not. But based upon the response of Senator Kushner and my crack team of researchers, I would say no. And would be happy for my colleague, Representative Zawistowski in the House, to further examine that issue when this bill is taken up down there. So, that's it. That's the extent of my questions regarding that portion of the underlying bill. And again, thank you, Senator Duff and Senator Kushner. The other area that I wanted to touch upon briefly, because I know we've been debating this for a while, has to do with that portion that was brought out by Senator Lesser. And I don't really have questions for Senator Lesser, but I'm going to posit my view of the underlying bill this way. It's the portion of mg/rr 95 the bill that has to do with incarcerated individuals. And since, I believe, 2006, this legislature said that incarcerated individuals are responsible for child support. Now, at that period of time, there was a carve out of individuals where they could appeal their child support obligations citing their incarceration. But this legislature made a policy decision that inmates that are serving time for assaulting either a minor child or their spouse or their partner, because the concept of husband and wife has moved forward in the last 20 years, that we weren't going to allow those individuals to step away from their child support obligations. And that was a public policy decision. And I want to thank Attorney Dykas for bringing to my attention that when that was decided in 2006, that concept passed unanimously through this legislature, both the House and the Senate, as well as the committees on judiciary, banks, human services, and public safety. Very few bills pass through that many committees, but that one did 20 years ago. And we said, listen, that is just fundamentally unfair. We're not going to tolerate that in the State of Connecticut to do a harm to an individual and then as a result of that, part and parcel being incarceration, that you get to step away from your obligations of child support. It's also my understanding, based upon the research, that now, fast forward to the Obama administration, that they did put in a regulation that stated that the fact that you're incarcerated could, under the federal guidelines, be used to make the argument that I want to have my child support payments modified. And so, the Federal government decided to go down that path under the Obama administration. But Connecticut was still free to go along its own path as it saw fit. And again, thank you to Attorney mg/rr 96 Dykas for bringing to my attention that, and I believe that was 2016, that the very next year, this legislature addressed that entire federal set of regulations and specifically did not address that portion. So, there was a whole slew of changes. We as a state said, yes, Obama Administration, we acknowledge this one, this one, this one, this one. We're going to respond to that in some way, shape, or form. But on this one, we decided no. Again, our public policy was you don't reward people for bad behavior. And let me just take a step back. I've been lucky enough to be either Ranking Senator or for one period of time in 2018, 2019, one of the tri chairs of the Judiciary Committee. Not only in that capacity, but prior to me becoming a State Senator, I had a role as a special public defender for a number of years. And you're probably familiar with the fact that you can get a contract from the State of Connecticut. It may be done differently now than it was 34 years ago, but I did that for a number of years, and I represented people that were charged with various crimes. In fact, during the prison riots of that era, I represented individuals that were already incarcerated doing time for other offenses that ended up rioting, damaging buildings, assaulting other inmates, or assaulting corrections officers. It's hard to go to prison in Connecticut. We have more diversionary programs that you can shake a stick at. And we give many bites at the apple. So, if you find yourself incarcerated, you've clearly done that underlying crime. And so, we firmly believe that attacking a child or one's partner, whether it's one's spouse or live-in partner, and we make no moral judgment. And we went through a lot of debates regarding all of that, and we've gotten to a point where those issues are primarily settled. But we have clearly stated as a legislature, and proudly so, that we are not going to tolerate mg/rr 97 domestic violence. And I have worked with Senator Flexer and others in this circle where we can honestly say across party lines, we are one of the foremost states in the nation to combat domestic violence. And we, just a few years ago, said we're not going to go with a dual arrest where upon a domestic dispute, that everybody gets arrested. We weren't doing that anymore either. And so, I take great pride in our bipartisan, nonpartisan efforts over the years to address domestic violence and say we have a zero tolerance for individuals that assault children and harm them and are found guilty and sentenced to prison for doing that. And we, as a legislature, said, you can't dodge your obligations for child support by stating, "I'm in prison, I can't pay." And by the way, even though you may be in prison, that doesn't mean you don't have access to funds. You may have a commissary account. You may have a job within the corrections department. And indeed, whether you can pay it fully or not while you're incarcerated, that obligation can remain outstanding after you are released so that you have to pay it back. So, this isn't something where you say, "Oh, I'm broke right now. I can't pay." Someone who's not incarceration can't do that to dodge their financial obligations for child support. And again, this isn't something that we feel is like a low rung on the ladder. This is something that you as an adult, a responsible human being, whether incarcerated or not, you helped give life to this other individual, this child, and we have judged it's a huge important policy that you pay support. And if you don't have the money now, it will accumulate to when you indeed do have money. For a couple of reasons, not only do we feel that that's fundamentally fair and morally appropriate, but if we allowed an individual to dodge their responsibilities by merely being in prison, then mg/rr 98 that child or the guardian or parent of that child would have that burden thrust upon them. And if they don't have the wherewithal, then it's thrust upon us as taxpayers. That is the last place it belongs. It belongs with the individual that is morally and legally obligated to support the child. Not only that, but I would also state that I've had the great honor of working on these issues, as I said, with folks like Senator Flexer, but others in this circle. And even most recently, we worked on the creation, very similar to the Juvenile Justice Policy and Oversight Committee, to create the Domestic Violence Criminal Justice Response and Enhancement Advisory Council. And that is quite a mouthful, but that was an agglomeration of various working groups and long-standing committees and councils into one place. And it is now co-chaired by our friend and colleague, Senator Flexer, along with Meghan Scanlon, who happens to be the wife of our comptroller, Sean Scanlon. But also Meghan Scanlon is the head of the Connecticut Council Against Domestic Violence, CCADV, a champion committee, a group of individuals that are committed to reducing if not maybe someday eliminating domestic violence. They ever had a chance to weigh in on this provision that says, oh, we got a letter from the Trump administration, they're threatening to withdraw hundreds of millions of dollars from Connecticut, unless you go along with this underlying regulation. First of all, I'm quite surprised that anybody in the Trump administration would be threatening any state to do what that regulation that was promulgated under the Obama administration said to do. In a colloquy earlier with my friend and colleague, Senator Lesser, who very passionately and very straightforwardly said he was concerned about the funds from the federal government, and that is why mg/rr 99 this provision is being put forward in this large bill. But he had said that we had received a similar threat previously by the Biden administration. So this has been kicking around for a long time. Now it's the Trump administration, and I haven't seen the letter that was talked about. At some point, maybe I'd love to get my hands on it, because assuming this bill goes forward today, I don't think this issue is going to be over. Because I think when my constituents and folks that are against domestic violence, and folks like the CCADV, and individuals on the council, and prosecutors and others, I think they're not going to be so happy about this initiative. But let's take it for what it is before us this afternoon. If indeed the Administration, or whoever is acting on behalf of the Administration, says this is a priority, the reason it was proffered by Senator Lesser, and he may want to clarify it, but what I understood is that we are afraid that the administration will withdraw hundreds of millions of dollars. And so that's why, at the last minute, the last week or so I became aware of it, that this provision was put in this legislation. And that, if you just looked at it on its plain face, the four corners of these provisions, it was distasteful, to put it mildly. Whereas my caucus leader, Senator Harding, put absolutely appalling that we are essentially rewarding incarcerated individuals for their bad behavior against their spouses, their partners, and children. In this day and age, this is amazing. Now, even if all of those predicate facts are accurate, and even if we really have to be concerned about the Trump administration pulling hundreds of millions of dollars from Connecticut because of this one lying regulation, which I can't in my worst nightmare dream would ever take place. We went through a whole mg/rr 100 debate not that long ago creating what we call a slush fund, but it's a fund that says, well, we feel as a state, the federal government is doing something we do not agree with. We want the financial wherewithal to fund those programs as we see fit. I voted against that in its last permutation in particular because I felt that it gave the governor too much leeway and didn't have enough guidelines on it. And especially because it went way beyond this session, it went way beyond even the election, it went all the way to 2027. But myself and some of my colleagues lost that debate, lost that vote. So we have this giant fund out there that, to my knowledge, still has an excess of $200 million. If we really think that the federal government is going to go and take all that money away from us for this one regulation, we have enough financial money to back it up. Maybe not 100%, but substantial amount. So I am saying this afternoon and imploring folks that this is a bad portion of this underlying bill, that it is highly unlikely that this letter, the second letter from a second administration saying, hey, follow this regulation, although there's no law that says we have to follow the regulation, but that we have a financial backstop to protect us. And to the majority that is not hesitant in standing up either in this circle or outside this Chamber and saying, we disagree with policy A of this federal government, policy B of this federal government, policy C of this federal government, and we are not afraid to fight them on these grounds. And even if they threat us financially, whether it has to do with undocumented aliens, illegal immigrants, or some other hot button issue that is felt passionately by all of us in this Chamber, whatever it is, we're not afraid to stand up to the federal government and say no. Heck, it wasn't that long ago, probably close to 20 years ago, I and mg/rr 101 several others, but I took great pains and efforts to help champion medical marijuana in our state. Why? Because it came through the Judiciary Committee, we had to change criminal laws, and I saw dozens of moms and dads with their children that were suffering 10, 20 times a day, epileptic seizures. And marijuana was one of the only items that changed that. And I had to learn after going to hearing, after hearing, after hearing. No, they're not giving marijuana cigarettes joints to children. No, it was a liquefied form that was stridently made by pharmacists, and it was given to these children that came to the hearings. And it stopped those people from seeing their children suffering from seizures multiple times a day. And when you meet those people and you look them in the eye, I wondered when I went home, how do they even live for a week in that situation? And my kids were little then, and I hugged them, and I thanked my lucky stars that they didn't have to deal with those problems. And I saw hearing after hearing, individuals that were benefiting from marijuana, and it was still a level 1 drug classified just like, I don't know, heroin. And you know what? We champion that medical marijuana law, and we passed it in this state, and you know what? The federal government didn't bend over and accommodate us. And I still had colleagues on both sides of the aisle say, hey, John, how can you champion that? It's in the face of the federal government, and they have the right to control it. And you know what? I felt so passionately about it, and my colleagues did too, that we said, you know what? We're just going to do it anyhow. And if the Feds want to come in here and start taking our money back or threatening us, well, we feel so important about this policy, especially because this policy is going to help the kids. mg/rr 102 And if you're on the other side of some of these other federal issues, how often do you champion it because not only are families affected, but children? Well, I would suggest that this provision has that kind of impact as well. And so I don't minimize the threat of the federal government financially. How likely it is, I think it's highly unlikely. But that being the case, I think that we're a strong New England state that's not afraid to stand up for what we believe in. We felt that way over 100 years ago when abolitionists here in New England, here in Connecticut, here in Hartford, were champions in changing things that were happening nationally. Whether I agree with you or disagree with you on national events, national policies, one thing I will always agree with you, I don't want any of us to be afraid if we believe that a moral decision would lead us to one event or another. That's why our constituents elect us to stand up and be heard. So, Madam President, given that, I would ask the clerk to please call LCO 2293, waive the reading, ask leave to speak on it, and I would ask for a roll call. I'd ask its adoption.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

LCO number 2293, Senate Amendment "E".

The Chairlegislator

Senator Kissel.

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. mg/rr 103

The Chairlegislator

Let's just wait till we see it on board. There we are, Senator Kissel.

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. So, I just feel very passionately about this. If we're going to go down this road because we're concerned about the Federal government, and by the way, if we got this letter over a year ago and nothing has happened, I would suggest nothing's going to happen going forward. But here's a chance, let's just strip this out of this bill. We can continue to address this issue in the Human Services Committee or wherever else in the building that we want to address it. We still have over two months to go in this short session. And I think it's the right thing to do based upon my view of this issue. And we have so much to be proud of regarding domestic violence and our fight against it. And we have so much to be proud of regarding how we feel that children, vulnerable children need our support. And we should not be about feeling intimidated or pressured or browbeaten or threatened into allowing incarcerated individuals to dodge their lawful responsibility to pay child support because they are convicted, not just of anything. By the way, the exception isn't if you're in prison, just being in prison. It's just this narrow area is if you're in prison for assaulting your spouse, your partner, or the child. That's it. That's the very narrow universe. I think that poisons this entire bill into a way where I can't even fathom supporting it. And so, for those reasons, I would urge my colleagues to support this amendment. And again, Madam President, I would ask mg/rr 104 that when the vote is taken, it be taken by roll. Thank you.

The Chairlegislator

We will have a roll call vote. Will you remark on the amendment? Senator Lesser.

Senator Lesserlegislator

Yes. Thank you. And I appreciate the words of my good friend, the honorable ranking member of the Judiciary Committee. I agree with him, that this is not a policy that we set out to do. It does permit downward modifications for people who have been convicted of very serious disturbing crimes of family violence. And those are not folks who deserve anything but condemnation. There's a practical question, which is, it doesn't appear that people who are incarcerated tend to be paying a whole lot of child support. But nevertheless, this is not something that I would have proposed. This is something that has come to us and we are responding to. My colleague did mention some of the legislative history that we did receive a letter from the Biden administration two years ago, advising us that Connecticut's law on this that, the gentleman mentioned passed in 2006. I wasn't serving in 2006. But the letter that we received from the Biden administration advised us that we were in violation of federal law. We reviewed that letter. We decided to do what the gentleman proposed, which is to take it under consideration, but we did not take further action. What happened then was there was a change in administrations in Washington, and the Trump administration decided to raise the stakes. And we discussed earlier, as the gentleman mentioned, they raised the stakes by specifically writing a four-page letter that describes in crystal mg/rr 105 clear English, all of the ways that this statute that we have that says, if you're incarcerated for family violence, you got to pay child support, why that is in violation of federal law. And specifically, they lay out what the federal government is going to do to us if we don't bring ourselves into compliance. As I mentioned earlier, they specifically say we will lose our TANF funds. That is, they mentioned the 2022 federal fiscal year block grant of $265,970,706. We've already discussed that. I think I used a different number earlier, but it was in the same ballpark. It's our TANF dollars that they have explicitly said this federal government will cut off to the state of Connecticut, which is a concern. We will lose that funding. But there's a separate issue, and this is where I have a question for the gentleman, because there's another threat that was in there as well that I neglected to mention earlier, which is the federal government's role in child support is very simple, which is, if you cross state lines in this country, the federal government assists states in ensuring that a family, a child gets the child support that they've been ordered, even if the parent is in another state. That is a vital role that the federal government plays to support families and to support children in Connecticut. Now, the federal government has said in this letter, they have threatened us very clearly. They have said that Connecticut was awarded federal performance incentive payments totaling, I believe the math is over $63 million. These are for families and children in Connecticut who receive child support. We will be cut off from that program. And so, my real concern with this amendment is if this amendment were to pass, children all around the state would lose or could lose their child support payments. What, through you to the gentleman, or the mg/rr 106 proponent of the amendment, is the mechanism to ensure that those children would be able to get their child support payments?

The Chairlegislator

Senator Kissel.

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. My response to my friend and colleague, Senator Lesser is this, the underlying regulation promulgated by the federal government was changed in 2016. It's been on the federal books for 10 years. We haven't had one penny taken away from us. We haven't had the lack of support of the Federal Government ever when it comes to enforcement of responses across state lines. I understand that my majority colleagues don't like the Trump Administration, and don't much like President Trump. Maybe some more, maybe some less. But I'm not going to run with my tail behind my legs wondering what if, what if, what if. All I know is what I've seen under Republican and Democrat administrations. And that is a regulation that the federal government changed 10 years ago, we stood our ground, and we haven't lost anything. And our children are being taken care of now. My question would be right back at Senator Lesser. If we get down this path, when does it end? I don't want to turn my back on our children now. What happens down the road, I think we can address that. But at this point in time, I'm playing my flag on this hill, and that's my response to the question. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Lesser. mg/rr 107

Senator Lesserlegislator

And I appreciate the response. I certainly don't jump when the Trump administration asks me to. The issue here isn't what we're willing to gamble. Right? They make threats, we look at those threats, and we judge our response based on the credibility, based on our own moral compass, etc. But the threat isn't limited to the state's balance sheet. Certainly, we are threatening the state, but they're also threatening families in Connecticut who rely on federal child support payments. And that's where I really draw the line because I cannot, in good conscience, vote to take an action that could jeopardize child support payments to families in my district, to families across the state. There's no real other mechanism to make them whole. They don't get the funding from the state. They get funding that this federal government collects on their behalf from people who are behind on their child support all around the country. And I don't want to make it possible for someone who has a child in Connecticut to abscond across state lines and avoid their responsibility. The gentleman mentioned CCADV. There are certainly a lot of good organizations in this space. CCADV is the leading organization in this space, the Connecticut Coalition Against Domestic Violence, we did speak to them. We vetted this proposal very, very carefully because we had the same concerns. The last thing we want to do is to support someone who's committed a heinous crime. And they said, look, they had no objection to it. They understood where this was coming from, because that was our concern. And then I also want to mention as well what this specifically does, which is, it doesn't do anything automatically. It simply removes a prohibition on a judge from ordering a downward modification. I believe the authority is mg/rr 108 still in the hands of our judiciary here in Connecticut, and I think that makes it important. But for the life of me, I cannot see this as a responsible amendment because of the potential impact on families in Connecticut who are relying on federal collection of child support payments. If we were to vote for this amendment, if we were to adopt it, it puts all of those families in serious peril. Although I have real concerns about the underlying policy, that to me seems like the far greater danger than simply doing what the federal government is telling us to do, thanks to the policy of this administration.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Harding.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I think this dialogue between both of the good senators is exactly what is wrong with the legislative process today. Because what this amendment is doing is saying, please take this out of this emergency certification. That's all this amendment does. It doesn't say we can't revisit it during legislative session. It doesn't say that. So, we very well could go into session later on through the regular legislative process after this portion receives a public hearing, after this portion receives a vote favorably out of a committee, and then ultimately back here in session after all that's been done, and then make a decision with all the answers regarding TANF and other critical programs. So, all the things that Senator Lesser mentioned, we could do. But what Senator Kissel's amendment does is instead of rushing into an emergency session to protect child abusers and domestic violent criminals, instead of rushing in to protect them mg/rr 109 from child support obligations they should be paying, Senator Kissel's motion is, let's put the brakes on this and actually allow this to go through the legislative process and have a real public discussion about the potential implications, and ultimately figure that out. That's it. That's it. He's basically saying, let's revisit this another day. So, by voting against the amendment, you're saying that it's so emergent that we need to protect these child abusers and these domestic violence criminals, that we need to pass this right this very second without public hearings and discussion. That's what you're saying. What Senator Kissel is saying is let's not rush to help these individuals that frankly, I don't believe deserve help on paying their child support obligation. I don't. Allow this to go through the regular legislative process where we can weigh the consequences in a public hearing process in front of our constituents with our constituents' input from advocacy organizations, allow a committee vote after we hear from all of those individuals, weigh those consequences, figure out how we're going to address this issue, and then vote on it after we know all the facts. Not rushing into it to protect people that frankly I don't believe deserve any help on paying obligation they should be paying. Vote for this amendment. It only makes sense. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator. Will you remark further? If not, a roll call has been requested. The machine is open, Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

Immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the in the Senate. We're voting on Senate Amendment "E" mg/rr 110 of Senate Bill number 298. We're voting on the amendment. This is Senate Amendment "E" of Senate Bill number 298. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate on Senate Amendment "E" on Senate Bill number 298. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate on Senate Amendment "E" of Senate Bill 298.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, can you please give us the tally?

Clerklegislator

Total Number of Voting 36 Total Voting Yay 11 Total Voting Nay 25 Absent and not voting 0

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Amendment fails. Will you remark further? Senator Fazio.

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. In furtherance of the desire to make this -- I yield to Senator Kissel.

The Chairlegislator

I think we'll hear from him. Why don't you call your amendment, sir? And then we will do that.

Senator Kissellegislator

It's a weird thing. mg/rr 111

The Chairlegislator

Senator Fazio.

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. In furtherance of the desire to make this emergency legislation address time-sensitive policy issues that have a large impact to our residents, I would like to call an amendment. And Madam President, the clerk is in possession of LCO number 2297, and I would ask the clerk to please kindly call that amendment.

Clerklegislator

LCO number 2297, Senate Amendment "F".

The Chairlegislator

Let's get it on the board, and when that happens, then we will ask Senator Kissel to speak. Thank you. There we are. Senator Kissel.

Senator Kissellegislator

Thank you very much, Madam President. I want to thank Attorney Dykas and yourself, Madam President, because I can't recuse myself from something that has not yet been called. But now it's been called, and under the rule, Senate rule 15, I am asking to recuse myself from anything to do with this amendment. Thank you.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Kissel. Senator Fazio. mg/rr 112

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I move adoption of the amendment, wave reading, and seek leave to summarize.

The Chairlegislator

Please do summarize, sir.

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. As many of us know, there is a very important decision pending before PURA about the sale of the Aquarion Water Company, which services a large portion of Western Connecticut, almost all of Western Connecticut, and parts of Southeastern Connecticut. That's a water utility that has affordably delivered good service to the residents of Western Connecticut and parts of Southeastern Connecticut for over 150 years. The sale of that company, that subsidiary of a larger company, Eversource, to a quasi-governmental water authority has been the source of much debate over the last two years, only after the enabling legislation was passed in the dead of night two summers ago. Now, PURA has had an opportunity to review the potential acquisition. And in their ruling and their judgment unanimously, they said that the proposed acquisition would not benefit residents and customers of the water utilities in question. And so, that has now been the source of subsequent litigation. But in the litigation, I think what we've discovered is that the language of the law did not reflect what the debate was on the Senate floor a couple of years ago, that the desire of this body was for PURA to have broad authority to review whether this sale of Aquarion would accrue to the benefit of residents in Western Connecticut, Southeastern Connecticut, and beyond. mg/rr 113 I submit to you that this proposed sale of Aquarion Water Company to the Regional Water Authority would be bad, most likely, for Aquarion customers and for existing Regional Water Authority customers in New Haven County. The first reason is that there would no longer be PURA oversight for setting water rates for customers in the new Aquarion Water Authority region. That could potentially result in significant increases in water rates into the future. I'm as big a free market capitalist as anyone in this circle. I hold my bona fides up to any of my colleagues. But when you have a natural monopoly, like a water utility, there needs to be a regulator that protects consumers in an adversarial fashion, and serves as an independent regulator to the benefit of consumers. If this sale of the Aquarion Water Company as an Aquarion Water Authority were to happen, there would no longer be an independent resourced regulator to set water rates. They would be set internally by a new, policy board. The policy board for the Regional Water Authority over many decades has never rejected a proposed rate increase by the quasi-governmental utility. We need to preserve the PURA oversight and protection of water customers in Western Connecticut and Southeastern Connecticut. The second is that there is a higher cost structure currently for the Regional Water Authority. They charge rates that are some 40% above what the rates are for similar customers in the Aquarion Water Authority region. Third, the debt that will be used to purchase the Aquarion Water Company amounts to $2.4 billion. And whereas a investor-owned utility would only be able to charge a portion of that purchase price back to consumers, the Aquarion, Water Authority under the Regional Water Authority would be able to charge the entirety of $2.4 billion in the purchase price back to consumers. mg/rr 114 Finally, the new governing board for the Regional Water Authority and the Aquarion Water Authority would be imbalanced. It would under represent the Aquarion Water Authority region, which is far larger in population than the Regional Water Authority region. And so for all these reasons, PURA might not agree with me. Others might not agree with me. I know good people, thoughtful people who do not hold the same opinion as I do of this potential deal. But Connecticut deserves the ability of PURA to fully vet the deal and protect customers both in the Regional Water Authority region and the Aquarion Water region. I do not think that this deal will accrue to the benefit in the long run of Regional Water Authority customers either, because Regional Water Authority is its own entity, which has served over a dozen towns in its area over many years, but would have to spread itself much thinner in order to manage organization, a quasi-governmental company of a far larger scale that it hasn't had the experience in doing over a large period of time. For all these reasons, the public has expressed significant concern about this sale. This legislative body never fully considered all the possible consequences of this sale. And all I am asking for in this amendment is that PURA be given broad authority to adjudicate whether this sale is in the best interest of Connecticut residents, both in the Aquarion region and the RWA region for the long run. For these reasons and more, I urge my colleagues to support this legislation and protect utility customers across Connecticut.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Fazio. Will you remark further? Senator Hwang.

Senator Hwanglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. It's good to see you up mg/rr 115 there. I want to rise in support of this amendment, and I think part of it is we've heard the debate today in regards to the emergency certification. It really is appropriate for this amendment to be considered because there is a urgent expedited need to address this issue, simply because the court remanded decision to PURA to make a decision by mid- March, and a preliminary decision that needs to be articulated by the 6th of March. So I think this amendment is absolutely essential, emergency, and expedited necessary to move forward. But it's also equally important, if I may, through you, Madam President, to ask of the proponent of this amendment some of the clarifying language as it relates to this amendment, and the goal of this amendment. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Fazio, prepare yourself. Go ahead, Senator Hwang.

Senator Hwanglegislator

Through you. Senator Fazio, I appreciate your articulation of the issues related to the Aquarion/Eversource proposed sale to the Regional Water Authority, creating a independent third water authority entity, which is called the Aquarion Water Authority. But through you, Madam President, to the good proponent of this amendment, one of the critical components of this amendment is not to question the sale that is under question, but the legislative intent that PURA, the Public Utilities Regulatory Authority, has the legislative intent to govern and regulate sales of utilities, in this case, water, that was unfortunately preempted in 24- 1 nearly two years ago in a special session that may I say was, again, emergency certified and did not have the opportunity of the due process and the urgency to be able to expedite. mg/rr 116 The exchange that I just heard recently was that we actually have an opportunity to be able to analyze, evaluate, and have public input on policies. So here we are, nearly two years later, looking to correct legislative intent because of an emergency certification, a bill that was pushed through without much deliberation and public input. And we're here now to pick up the pieces of that. So, through you, could you reiterate that this amendment is purely to reaffirm in the Senate circle debate nearly two years ago, the legislative intent that this decision, despite the core remand, had always believed that PURA, as a regulatory agency, should have the final decision in regards to whether the sale of Eversource, Aquarion to RWA is under their purview. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Fazio.

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. And thank you, Senator, for your advocacy and your articulation of the question before us in this amendment. Yes, it is to clarify that PURA has broad authority to rule and protect utility customers here in Connecticut on this proposed acquisition. And if you go back and listen to some of the legislative debate on the enabling legislation in the Special Session in 2024, I think it was clear from both proponents and opponents that this was contemplated as giving PURA broad authority to review the potential acquisition. Not very narrow authority, to review the potential acquisition. And this amendment today would seek to clarify that before the shot clock runs out on our ability to clarify that law. Through you, Madam President. mg/rr 117

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Hwang.

Senator Hwanglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I think it's important. We use the word emergency certification, and we had a debate yesterday in the Energy and Technology Committee, which you are the ranking member, and the chairs articulated a lot of the issues that should have been aired out, debated, and had public input. It was an incredibly wonderful exercise in which points and counterpoints were raised on that. I think one of the points that came out was this legislation is in no way a indictment or a criticism of RWA as a business entity, nor to Aquarion or Eversource. This was, again, an affirmation of the legislative intent and role in being able to give guidance in our utilities. We talk so much about our utility rates, and I use the phrase quite often that it seems, for many of our overwrought consumers that pay unaffordable utility bills and water bills, that Connecticut is unaffordable. It seems to be a theme. But nevertheless, I use the phrase quite often in representing our residents and consumers and ratepayers that it is a David versus Goliath articulation, a comparison. And it is where PURA as a regulatory authority, whether you like some of their previous practices or not, now it's been real constituted as a five-person entity with a new board. Let us give them an opportunity to give our consumer a voice. That's what this bill is about, to give legislative intent to affirm PURA as a regulatory authority, to be able to govern and regulate and control rate increases or decreases. So through you, Madam President, again, to the proponent of this bill, it is clear and important to articulate that this is to protect consumer rights, to be able to protect rate mg/rr 118 setting, and explain a little bit further why so urgently to have PURA regulate this. Because at the end of the day, should this sale go through, many of the regulatory guidelines of rate setting, tax implications, and governance are thrown out the door. That's why this is urgent, this is an emergency issue, and this amendment is appropriate. But could you articulate a little bit further, through you, Madam President, the three areas that I talked about? Should this sale go through without PURA's authority to regulate, that it would impact municipal taxation, it would impact ratepayer increases without regulatory review, and the governance of nearly 26 municipalities and over a million consumers in the state of Connecticut without their voice being heard. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Fazio.

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Thank you, Senator, for your excellent points and questions. This is time- sensitive because PURA will have to issue a final decision after the remand from the court decision at the end of March. And this is exactly one of the reasons the emergency certification process should exist because this is so time-sensitive that it could benefit from the clarification of legislative language from the legislature. If this sale goes through the roughly one million residents who live in the Aquarion region would no longer have the benefit of an independent public utilities commission regulating and checking increases in water utility rates. It would also reduce their per person representation on the governing board of the overall entity. mg/rr 119 So, this is a time-sensitive issue, and I have great respect for the Regional Water Authority. I have great respect for the fact that many of the residents of that region like that quasi- governmental authority as their water utility. And I also have respect for my own constituents in Western Connecticut and yours in Western Connecticut who have voiced their opinion that they are worried they will lose property tax revenue because of the new situation with payment in lieu of taxes in a nonprofit organization, as well as losing representation on the governing board. So, for these reasons, I think we need to clarify what PURA is able to rule on to the benefit in the long-term of everyone. Not just the Aquarion customers, but also the RWA customers, and give PURA jurisdiction in a more clear fashion through this legislation.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Hwang.

Senator Hwanglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I think it's important to also note that we had a public hearing yesterday in the Energy and Technology Committee. I want to thank the chairs and the rankings for raising that important issue. And what came out of it was an important question. An important question was raised by proponents of RWA in saying, you had two years since 2024 and the passage of 24-1 to address this issue. Why have you not done so until this last rush and emergency expedited process? Through you, Madam President, I want to ask the proponent of this amendment, what efforts have been made post that Special Session nearly two years ago in bills being raised? One, that this circle and many of our colleagues who understood the impact of mg/rr 120 that passage in a omnibus bill that eerily similarly replicates what we're doing again today, that this was not transparent, it was not given due process. But after the passage in which many of my colleagues, I believe, the proponent of this bill, along with myself, voted against that omnibus bill, that we did try to raise this bill. We did try to raise a consideration that this legislative intent should have been articulated. So through you, Madam President, could the proponent of this bill raise the fact that it was a no vote when it was raised as part of an omnibus bill that was put through by E- cert and a special session? And number two, that in your role as the ranking member of the Energy and Transportation, that you did propose these bills that went nowhere with the legislative majority. So through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Fazio.

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Thank you, Senator. Yes, both last year and this year, I proposed legislation to amend that legal change, that enabling legislation from the Special Session. And we have had a vibrant public debate over the past two years, and it's with great frustration that I had not until this year seen legislation raised on our committee or anywhere else in the legislature to ameliorate the situation created by the Special Session in 2024 where this was allowed without public hearings and without even knowledge of some of the most senior and knowledgeable Democrats in the legislature on utilities issues. This could have benefited from their input. This is could have benefited from all of our input in the mg/rr 121 process. I look back at my floor speech. I don't go back and watch my floor speeches, to be fair, but I do know what I said on that Senate floor two years ago. And everything that I said there about an issue that I only even learned about two days before, and that even my Democratic colleagues who are knowledgeable only ever learned about a couple days before has very much been crystallized and proven true two years after the fact, that this was a rotten process, and that there is risk posed both to Aquarion and Regional Water Authority customers by such a hasty decision. All we're aiming to do here today with this proposed amendment is to clarify the ability of PURA to properly review and adjudicate the proposed sale. That is a modest proposal, but it's also time- sensitive. It, to borrow a term, is an emergency that this should be passed.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Hwang.

Senator Hwanglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Again, what you just stated, the good Senator, feels like déjà vu all over again. We are talking about a rush process, a lack of representative engagement and public engagement that we're trying to fix a problem. And now what I heard yesterday through the diligent exchange of ideas and perspective, which was very much welcome, was the fact that we might be too late in this. That some of the points are very valid, but we're too late. And what I pointed out was as I sat through with two regional COG executive directors representing nearly 24 municipalities, Democrat and Republican, and nearly over a million people, and we were told that it might have been too late, that we didn't have an mg/rr 122 engagement for nearly two years on this critical issue. Where have we been? But this is why this amendment is so timely, so appropriate, because we are under an E-cert, emergency certification bill, to meet the expedited deadline that has been imposed on us, to have that sense of urgency, to be able to restore legislative intent, the checks and balances that we so value in this circle and within the Golden Dome, that we now give legislative intent to guide these regulatory utilities, and PURA has an authority that we have empowered to regulate sales and rate reviews. That when utilities that may not be happy with the decisions made by a governing body that is trying to even the playing field, protecting our Davids against Goliaths, that they have that authority, that they will be protected and authorized to offer that viewpoint. I think it's really urgent for us to pass this amendment for the House tomorrow to be able to act as part of Senate Bill 298, that we send a message that if you're going to emergency certified bill, this is one of the amendments that would be absolutely appropriate. And I'll close by saying, and I want to thank the proponent of this amendment for raising this bill and representing his district and many of my communities that are watershed areas that provide clean and safe and secure water to the communities. Make no mistake about it. It is a critical and important decision. It's not just a utility, it's our water source. It's a gift of life in some ways where many people cannot do without it. I will make sure to be on the record to say water quality is of the paramount, paramount priority for me. We do not want examples of Flint, Michigan, and having dirty water come through our pipes, and putting public health at risk. But it is critically important that there is a mg/rr 123 regulatory input, that the legislative intent is allowed to give that kind of input. So through you, Madam President, I urge support of this amendment. I want to thank this amendment being raised by the proponent, but I'll leave you one last thought. The idea that over 25 municipal leaders, Democrats and Republicans, and over a million people represented by our two COGS, Metro COG and West COG, who are interveners on this case that want to have their day, that they agree on this issue. The fact that we have over 25 municipal leaders agreeing that this is the pathway to go. And for this circle, should we reject this amendment, not hear their voice through this purported emergency certification, then we are truly disrespecting the due process and the respect for the constituents we represent. So I urge support of this amendment. I want to thank the proponent for raising it. But more importantly, there is not a more appropriate amendment that fits the emergency certification, given the expedited emergency and urgency in this matter. So thank you, Madam President. I want to thank the proponent again.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Hwang. Will you remark further. Senator Somers.

Senator Somerslegislator

Yes. Good evening, Madam President. And I rise just to throw my support for this amendment. We heard about the Western COG, and we heard about the 26 First selectmen or mayors from the Western part of the state in a bipartisan effort that are against having this sale go through right now, but having PURA do a full analysis of this sale. But I don't want people to forget that in Eastern Connecticut, in Mystic, Stonington, and Groton, we mg/rr 124 also have Aquarion service. And if you look at all the details, I know that we have talked about this, so I don't want to repeat what everybody else had said but we had an emergency certified bill come to us in Special Session that never had a public hearing. It didn't have a chance to be vetted. It was passed, I believe, on party lines, if I'm correct, in this body. I think down in the House, it was more mixed. And what we found out now is we have a Regional Water Authority that's a quasi-public agency that is going to purchase, with very little money, if at all, a $2.4 billion Aquarion company that's owned by Eversource. It looks like the assets are worth $1.4 billion, they're paying $2.4 billion. I'm not sure how that works. But they have the ability, because they are not under PURA's designation right now, to get money from Wall Street, because they don't have to go to somebody and get approval when they increase their rates. Now, Aquarion has already said there's going to be a 65% rate increase because they haven't upgraded the infrastructure, etc. But if we don't do our due diligence and allow PURA to do a full review of this purchase, we are not doing the citizens of Connecticut the justified and the necessary protections that they need. And as you've heard other people say, water is not something that we just choose to go by. It's not a purse, it's not a special sweater. It's a necessity for life. Everyone should be entitled to clean water. But people in our districts, so you have the East Coast and the West Coast of Connecticut, bipartisan support against this, they have to have an opportunity to have their voices be heard. mg/rr 125 And I know right now, we've heard about crises and we've heard about emergencies, and at least in my district, the emergency that I'm hearing about is the affordability, how expensive it is to live in Connecticut, how expensive property taxes are, how expensive our electricity bills are. And if our water rates are left unchecked and we do not do anything, easily, people's water bills could triple for the next 100 years. How do you pay back $2.4 billion, only being paid for by Aquarion ratepayers? Absolutely tragic. If you're looking at your electric bill, just imagine what your water bill's going to be. I fully support this. I want to thank Senator Fazio for raising this. This amendment did have a public hearing in Energy and Technology. You have bipartisan support to bring it out, so I would urge my colleagues in the circle to support this common sense amendment that really does warrant the term "emergency." Thank you, Madam Chair.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Somers. Senator Fazio, to be followed by Senator Duff.

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Thank you, Senator, for your very well-articulated case for this amendment. I would just ask that we have a roll call vote when it's voted on. Thank you.

The Chairlegislator

We will have a roll call vote, sir. Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

You were much quicker than I thought. Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I rise in opposition to the amendment. I would just add that mg/rr 126 with one of the other amendments we had earlier, that this is an issue that the Senate democratic caucus is also working on. There was a bill raised yesterday in the Energy and Technology Committee for a public hearing, which I'm sure the fine Senator from Greenwich knows as a ranking member. And we do believe that this is an important issue, one that we raised as well for potential action today in our caucus. But we will be bringing up this issue further down the line during the session, and believe that it is one of importance as well. So again, hopefully we can see a good strong bipartisan vote on this issue at some pointls in the near future. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further on the amendment? If not, the machine is open. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the in the Senate. We're voting on Senate Amendment "F" of Senate Bill number 298. This is a vote on the amendment. This is not the bill. Senate Amendment "F" of Senate Bill number 298. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate on Senate Amendment "F", Senate Bill 298. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted? Have all the senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, give us the tally if you would, please.

Clerklegislator

Total Number of Voting 35 mg/rr 127 Total Voting Yay 9 Total Voting Nay 26 Absent And Not Voting 1

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Amendment fails. Will you remark further on the legislation before us? Senator Cicarella.

Senator Cicarellalegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Good evening. So, as the day went on, I was listening to the back and forth, some of the debate, some of the amendments that were proposed, why I was trying to read the 120- something-page bill before us, and I think we got it probably about 10:30 last night. There's a lot of stuff in here, and it's really challenging. And I say this all the time when we have one bill and there's a lot of different areas and sections in this bill. Some may be good, some may be bad, but it takes away the ability for us to be held accountable on the decisions that we make when we have to vote yes or no for a 120-something-page bill that probably touches every committee in the building. There are a lot of issues in here, and there's some that I think are great. We had an issue with public safety, and it was regarding how many staircases could be in a multifamily home. It was something going back and forth. And I think in this, it does solve a problem. I believe that could have been done through the regular process. My understanding of an emergency certification, an E-cert, is to do something immediately that there has to be action taken to help our constituents, not circumvent the process that we're here to do. All of us are here. We all represent a certain population throughout state of Connecticut. And when we do things like this, I think it kind of takes away from the process and, more importantly, being mg/rr 128 able to hold selected individuals responsible for the decisions. And it's really challenging. We talk about emergencies. We have an emergency because of the snow. People were struggling. People were on the neighborhood apps. Hey, could somebody shovel me out? People are struggling to heat their houses. People are struggling to pay their bills. And that's the type of emails and correspondence I have with my constituents. They're telling me that they are struggling, especially our seniors. We had a really good common sense amendment that would bring relief to our seniors. We would not tax their income from their Social Security, which would help them. We see how everything is becoming more and more expensive, more than the cost of living, more than someone's increases in their Social Security, which are minimal, and they can't survive. They can't keep up. They're saying, "I got to move somewhere else. I have to leave my family." That's an emergency. We see that there are issues with a lot of taxpayer dollars going all over the place, and we don't know where. And I know both caucuses had a press conference talking about some of these issues, and it seems like everyone's in agreeance, but that could be something that we could take action on immediately. But all of the amendments were voted down. And that just concerns me. And I know constituents will reach out and say, you voted no on this bill, why? Or you voted yes, why? It's extremely challenging to do something, a, we got the bill less than 24 hours prior to us coming here to speak on it, and it touches so many areas. I just think it's bad use of an emergency certification. Especially, when we're here in session, we can take action accordingly. mg/rr 129 And I just think that I'm going to have a hard time explaining to my constituents why so much was in here and why we had to do this and why we didn't do other things that are really directly impacting their lives on a day-to-day basis. And I really don't know if any of these sections in this bill really will bring any relief, or solve any emergency. So I'm perplexed of why we are even here doing this. But there are some areas in this bill if the proponent of the bill could prepare himself for a couple of questions, just for clarification. The first is in section 47 of the bill. No, no, ma'am. It's the bill.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Kissel, section 47 of the bill, you have a question.

Senator Cicarellalegislator

Thank you. Senator Cicarella.

The Chairlegislator

Oh, excuse me. Senator Cicarella. Sorry.

Senator Cicarellalegislator

I know we look alike. He's a little taller than me, though. So, in section 47, regarding FOIs and getting information from schools and municipalities, giving information to somebody who requested regarding emergency drills at schools, I just have a quick question. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Duff. mg/rr 130

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, just stand at ease while we get the proponent of that section to come into the Chamber.

The Chairlegislator

Yes, we will stand at ease while we get the appropriate person for you. Senator Cicarella, please proceed with your question, sir.

Senator Cicarellalegislator

Thank you. So, for the good Senator, I'm going to ask a question regarding section 47. It's about individuals requesting information regarding emergency drills in schools, and I have two young children. Especially my son gets a little nervous, and I want to know what's going on. And it's terrible that we even have to be having these type of drills. And I'm sure parents want to know what they're going to be learning, why they're learning it, and just get that information. They want to know what's going on in their child's life, and I totally agree with that. Just want to make sure there's not an unintended consequence in just trying to get some legislative attempt laid out there. I just want to make sure when someone is requesting the information about some of these emergency drills, that they're not going to get proprietary information or information that may be used in a negative way, like the maps or blueprints of the schools, where there's bulletproof glass and not, where the cameras are and where the cameras aren't. So, I just want to make sure that the information is limited, and that kind of sensitive information that may be used to do harm will be protected. Through you, Madam President. mg/rr 131

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Cicarella. Senator McCrory.

Senator Mccrorylegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Yes, they will be able to get the plans, but there are many things that are private that will be pulled out before they go out to the public. And the plans actually, will be quietly put on public requests. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Cicarella.

Senator Cicarellalegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Thank you to the good Senator for answering my question. That's what I just wanted to make sure that the information that's going out will provide information to the parents, give some clarity, address any possible concerns, but not provide sensitive information that could be manipulated for bad. So that was just my concern, and it seems as if that is addressed. Thank you to the good Senator. My next question, and again, this is what I was saying in the beginning of me starting to speak that there's a lot of sections, a lot of questions, and there's a process for that. And we're not having that opportunity. They're only some of questions that were asked to me from other constituents or individuals and things that I was concerned and thinking about. And one of which is in section 65. We realize mental health is a big problem, addiction is a big problem, and we are really short on inpatient beds for people that have mental health crisis. And there is a problem, so there's clearly a need. But when I'm looking at this section, it seems mg/rr 132 as if not all providers of this type of service would be eligible to use this exemption for the certificate of need process. Am I looking at that and seeing that correctly? Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Anwar. I guess you're having a problem with your microphone.

Senator Anwarlegislator

Yes. Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I'm in a different spot because our mic is being used by a clerk of the council. We need to get that fixed. I could have made an excuse not to answer by saying we don't have a mic.

The Chairlegislator

Another thing to go in an e-serve bill. Go ahead, sir.

Senator Anwarlegislator

So through you, Madam President, that's accurate.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Cicarella.

Senator Cicarellalegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Thank you, good Senator, for answering the question. So is there a reason why all providers of this service are not included in this exemption? Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Senator Anwar. mg/rr 133

Senator Anwarlegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, this was requested for a state hospital for an urgent need because they needed expansion of services. And there is a challenge at multiple levels, including the workforce, including expansion of the beds. And this is a very short window that request was made, and it was felt that this was an urgent issue, as they had to have some federal reporting as well because of the time line of the federal reporting, as well as the needs. This was specifically requested for that purpose, and that's why we have just the state hospital part of it. Through you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator Cicarella.

Senator Cicarellalegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Thank you to the good Senator. I appreciate answering my questions. I don't have any additional questions. I just do hope that we could continue this conversation. There has been a need for years for these type of facilities. This didn't pop up overnight. So this is something that we really have to look at, and make sure these resources are there, and Connecticut residents aren't having to travel out of state to get care that they need. So, I think it's something that we should definitely continue to talk about. in closing, not in the sake of repeating myself, I am concerned why we are here in this fashion when we are in session, we have public hearings going on. Some of the hearings actually discussed over the last 24 to 48 hours had some of these sections in there, and we are now voting on one bill addressing so many things. mg/rr 134 And the real question I have, and I know my constituents will, is why these things? Why not the other things that I'm calling you about, or my family is having a hard time getting by? Why is none of that in here? I feel for these individuals. It is cold. People are hungry. Insurance is expensive. Energy is expensive. And we're here doing this, and we're not really paying attention to the real emergency here in Connecticut. And I'm hoping that we can address those concerns this session before we close our short session, and really tackle some of the challenges that our constituents are reaching out to us about every single day. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? Senator Slap.

Senator Slaplegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I rise to speak in favor of the bill, and I want to just touch on actually one section in particular, and this is the task force about antisemitism. And I actually want to start in perhaps kind of an odd place to talk about what this task force is not about. And the task force is not about foreign policy. It is not about silencing debate about political ideas or a discussion of ideas. That is not what this is about. So, what is this task force on antisemitism about? It is about fighting hate. It is about combating antisemitism. And antisemitism has existed for a long, long time, long before the country of Israel was even created. And if you look at Connecticut's history, in the middle of the 19th century, it was illegal to operate a synagogue. And if you fast forward decades later, there were still towns and neighborhoods where Jews were not allowed to live, and they were discriminated against in employment, mg/rr 135 in elected office. And this is part of Connecticut's history. So we've been grappling with antisemitism in this state for a long time, and of course, in this country. And if you look at recent statistics, it shows that we have a lot of work to do, and they're alarming. And these are statistics both by the Anti- Defamation League, but also by the FBI. In particular, if you look at incidents of antisemitism in our public schools and in K-12, the rate of antisemitic incidents is twice the national average in Connecticut. And about 20% of all antisemitic incidents in the state happen in our schools. So, those are the stats. And then there are the stories in towns all across Connecticut, in Oxford, East Hartford, Greenwich, Weston, Darien, Waterbury, my hometown of West Hartford, Madison, Litchfield, Hartford, Granby, where four swastikas were found in the desk of a Jewish middle school student. And those were all just in the past couple years. So, that's what this task force is about, is helping those children and Jewish families send their kids to school with fear. And it's helping to give educators tools to deal with antisemitic incidents. It's bringing together diverse group of people, learning, searching for guidance, and having conversations about what we can collectively do to combat hate. That's what the task force is about. Again, not foreign policy or stifling debate. And that's an important distinction. And I want to close just by saying that we send a message when we stand together and support this task force. We send a message, yes, to Jewish families and to Jewish children who suffer when these incidents happen. Right? But we also send a message to people of all faiths, in all ethnicities, in all backgrounds, that we stand with them and we stand against hate. mg/rr 136 And there's a famous quote I want to end with. It says, "When one hate rises, they all rise." So we all have a stake in this. That's what the task force is about. I hope that we can unanimously pass it and take a strong stand together against hate. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Slap. Will you remark further? Senator Somers.

Senator Somerslegislator

Yes. Good evening, Madam President. And I rise tonight with very deep concern, and frankly, disappointment over the way the majority is pushing through this emergency certified omnibus legislation. There is a lot of good things, perhaps, in this bill, but it's the way in which it's being pushed that is causing my concern. And I want to be clear, for people watching or the average person at home or really, anybody, the emergency certification, there is no emergency in what a normal person would consider an emergency. There is no crisis, and there's been no public hearings this year to give citizens a voice on many of the provisions that are included in this omnibus bill. But what we do have today is, I believe, it's the year anniversary of the last big earmark bill that we passed. And we received this bill last night at 10:20, none of which Connecticut addresses any of Connecticut's true issue, which is an affordability crisis, which we are now starting to hear from the Majority Party. And moreover, the Majority Party just voted down all these amendments that could help actually impact the true affordability crisis that we're having here in the state of Connecticut. And that is an emergency mg/rr 137 to many who believe in emergencies around the state of Connecticut. And now here we are being asked to rubber stamp a sweeping bill that lumps together provisions, some which passed out of Chambers last year, some stalled, and others that have never been thoroughly examined under the light of public scrutiny. That is not how democracy is supposed to work. That's not transparency, that's not accountability, and that is not respect for the people that we are supposed to be representing in this Chamber. Emergency certifications should be reserved for emergencies, financial emergencies, natural disasters, public safety emergencies, urgent fiscal crises. It was never intended, or should never be intended, to be used as a political tactic to revive failed legislation and to avoid public input. But today, in my opinion, it's being used for exactly that purpose. This is about control, this is about convenience, and this is about sending a clear message to the people of Connecticut: We don't need you. We don't want to hear your input. We've already decided. We know better. And that is offensive. The legislation and the legislative process should not be a technicality. It's the foundation of representative government. And you can tell I'm very passionate about this. I thought about this all last night. Public hearings are not supposed to be obstacles. They're the voice of our constituents. Debate should not be a nuisance; it's our duty. When it comes and things are discarded, when those things are discarded, the process becomes nothing more than a mockery, which is what we're seeing here today. And I cannot stand here today without thinking about the history of our state and our nation, where we're coming up on our 250th anniversary. mg/rr 138 My forefathers came to this country, to this state, to free themselves from a distant motherland that did not listen to its citizens, from a king who did not represent them or their beliefs. They signed all the founding incorporation documents of this country and this great nation. And they lived with bounties on their heads for the rest of their lives, and died poor. They sacrificed everything they had so the future generations could govern themselves, not to be governed without a voice, which is what is happening here today. A government of the people is what they strived for. Connecticut, at one time, was a self- ruled colony built on the principle that power flows from the people upwards, not from the ruling class or the majority party downwards. So, what we have now is we have, centuries later, a government that claims to represent its citizens, but that operates in a way that shuts down their voices. My forefathers did not fight to escape one unresponsive power structure, only to see a modern version take shape right before our eyes under one- party rule in this Chamber. And let's be honest. Let's be honest. When you have a veto proof majority in this Chamber that chooses to bypass hearings, stifle debate, move massive legislation under emergency authority when no emergency exists, there can only come to one reasonable conclusion, and that is that the process is deliberately, willfully, and fully being usurped. To what? To avoid accountability and to avoid transparency. It tells seniors and workers and families and citizens and people just moving here, your input no longer matters to this Chamber, to this state. Just pay up, shut up, and get out of the way because we know better. It tells them that decisions will be made behind closed doors, legislation will be mg/rr 139 written without input, and presented as a done deal, like it has been done today. This is not leadership. This is true and utter arrogance. And what makes this especially troubling is the hypocrisy. We hear constant rhetoric about threats to democracy, about norms, about process, about respect for institutions. Yet here in this Chamber, those same principles are being completely disregarded. I have heard the words outside today unprecedented around the halls, unprecedented way to conduct business, an unprecedented way to spend taxpayer dollars, and an unprecedented way to pass legislation behind the public's back. What could happen from this? We'll have to come back and fix things that are missed because we had no public input: unfunded mandates, things that could have been taken care of if we had an opportunity to have the public weigh in. What's happening now is power is being consolidated, safeguards are being bypassed, public voices are being silenced under the guise of emergency certification. Government is clearly wielding power over people, and it is not working with them. You cannot defend democracy in speeches and then undermine it in your practices. You cannot lecture the public about transparency while you operate in the darkness. And you cannot claim to stand with people while shutting them out of the process. The people of Connecticut deserve better. They deserve hearings. They deserve open and honest debate. They deserve time to understand what is being proposed, and they deserve a government that respects them, not one that rushes past them. We are elected to serve, not to dictate. We are here to listen, not to dismiss, and we are entrusted with power not to abuse it. This bill is going to pass today. You have the numbers, the majority does. But mg/rr 140 I will say that power does not equal permission, and the passage today does not equal legitimacy. History reminds us that governments that stop listening eventually lose the trust of those who they govern. And if we lose that, we lose something far more important than any vote today. If we lose the trust of the citizens that we serve, once it's gone, it's nearly impossible to get back. And I urge rejection of this bill today. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Somers. Will you remark further? Senator Looney. Good evening.

Senator Looneylegislator

Good evening, Madam President, and thank you. After a long and spirited debate today, I am proud to urge the Chamber to pass this emergency certified bill this evening, and send it to the House of Representatives for action tomorrow. Every single element of this bill has been considered. Most of the components had public hearings last session. Most of it were contained in bills that had passed one of the other Chambers last session. It is not that matters are being sprung as a surprise. This bill is responsive to the concerns of the people. I think what opponents of the bill are saying is that the concerns about warehouse workers are not important. Concerns about some of the education changes in the bill are really not that important. All of the other provisions are, for some reason or other, not important enough to accelerate the effective date on these things and make them available for the benefit of the people of Connecticut sooner rather than later. Many of the complaints that have been raised by the Minority Party might sound a little more credible. mg/rr 141 If they could have been directed equally at what's happening in Washington where their party is the majority, then we could have seen that it would be more of a debate that dealt with everything in an even handed way, rather than complaining about the process here. We are attempting to be responsive to what we understand as public need. Many of the issues that have been talked about other than this have certainly will be addressed at a later time in the session in consultation with the administration and through our committee process. Just wanted to mention, a few, one of the key elements of the bill I'm supporting, warehouse workers. As more and more companies grow and expand today's bill seeks to create protections for workers in Connecticut warehouses. Now, some might argue that these are protections that should be bargained for collectively by unions, and perhaps they could be, and perhaps they will be in some cases in the future when I hope there will be more unionization in the private sector than there is right now. But in the meantime, where there is exploitation of workers, it is the duty of state government to step in and be an advocate for workers who are being abused, who are being subject to quotas that are unreasonable and perhaps damaging to their health. And the bill provides that employers give employees a written description of each quota that they're subject to and any consequences that could result from failing to meet those quotas. They can't interfere with the meal periods or bathroom breaks. Things as simple as that, as humane as that, that employers sometimes ignore. Cannot set a performance standard that measures an employee's total output over a time period that's shorter than the employee's work day. So these are humane considerations that it's unfortunate that we have to legislate them. mg/rr 142 Humane employers would provide them as a matter of course. And, unfortunately, that's not always what we see. So, that's a significant component. Also in terms of education changes, there will be some education changes, including increased focus on multi-language learners and improvements to crisis response plan development and earlier potential access to vision screening. I think it's important that we're also going to put a greater emphasis upon an expansion of police training, something that our Majority Leader, Senator Duff, has been an active advocate for, to better respond to individuals with mental health and physical disabilities, to make sure that the police have that kind of training so that when there is an encounter, something does not go wrong tragically because of the disability status of the person in that encounter with the police. Also, better support and funding for our firefighter cancer relief fund. There's no reason why that should have to wait for action later on. And also ensuring continued compliance with federal child support standards. All of these are important components also in terms of election security, Madam President. We're taking action here to protect voters privacy, and election integrity. And, of course, we see that's increasingly necessary because of the politicization of the process at the federal level. In our history, of course, elections are to be regulated by the state. Although we refer to national elections every four years, we have, in fact, 50 separate state elections. We see the Trump administration wants to federalize everything to do with elections, to put the entire election process under its thumb. This is an effort again, once again, to reaffirm the state's role in making sure that elections are carried out fairly, that information is treated mg/rr 143 fairly and secured properly, and that disclosures are not made for improper purposes. It's really a significant notation and it's unfortunate that this is necessary because we have never been under attack from the federal government on so many fronts before. We have not had to think in terms of having to protect ourselves from overreaching and the kind of attacks that we're seeing that are looking to dismantle and undermine our traditional system. So, the legislation passed today, restricts the release of the birth, month, and day from voter file data shared with the federal government or the public. Birth year will still be shared. It also prohibits the voter file from being used for anything other than election related or scholarly or journalistic or governmental purposes. And it's unfortunate that we have to legislate this, but it is necessary, given what we've seen for the overreach of the federal government without regard to traditional constitutional separation. So again, we passed this today because we believe it is necessary, it is time-sensitive, and, we need to do these things in order to meet the needs of our people, and to protect ourselves in areas in which we are under siege. So, Madam President, I urge passage of this bill today, and hope that the House will do the same tomorrow. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will you remark further? If not, the machine is open. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the mg/rr 144 has been ordered in the Senate. We're now voting on the bill. This is Senate Bill number 298, AN ACT CONCERNING THE REALLOCATION OF CERTAIN STATE FUNDS AND VARIOUS PROVISIONS RELATING TO EDUCATION, PUBLIC SAFETY, GENERAL GOVERNMENT, ELECTIONS, INTERMEDIATE CARE FACILITIES AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTERS. We're now voting on the bill. This is Senate Bill number 298. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate on Senate Bill number 298. We are now voting on the bill.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, please announce the tally.

Clerklegislator

Total Number of Voting 36 Total Voting Yay 26 Total Voting Nay 10 Absent and Not Voting 0

The Chairlegislator

The legislation passes (gavel) (applause). And please do remain because we have other legislation, including a Consent Calendar. So, do not stray far. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

CONCERNING REDEMPTION OF OUT-OF-STATE BEVERAGE CONTAINERS.

The Chairlegislator

Good evening, Senator Lopes. mg/rr 145

Senator Lopeslegislator

Good evening, Madam President. I move passage of the bill.

The Chairlegislator

Well, let's get on the board, and then please do.

Senator Lopeslegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I'm going to avoid a long introduction description of this bill. As many people know, this is an ongoing problem, and this bill does not fix the problem. It is an attempt by the legislature, a bipartisan attempt by the legislature to put a band-aid on it for another year to see if we can fix it. In a nutshell, since we increased our bottle deposits to $0.10 a couple years ago, we have had an ongoing, some say organized realization of fraud, where people are ringing in cans and bottles from out of state into our state and redeeming them for profit. And the problem this is doing is we are actually paying out the redemption, that $0.10 per bottle fee, at a higher rate than we are collecting them when we sell the bottles and cans. And that sounds like not a big deal, but it is in the millions and millions of dollars, I believe, $14 million in fraudulent returns. So this bill is an attempt to put in enforcement mechanisms and to prevent these things from continuing and expanding. It also sets aside a funding mechanism to help the distributors who have been shorted by the amount of fraud that's going on, so that they won't alone bear the burden of the financial responsibility of paying for these illegal cans. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Lopes. Senator Harding. mg/rr 146

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I do rise generally with the understanding of this being a small potential fix, but I do agree with the words of the proponent of the bill, that this is in no way a fix to the problem that we're facing here in the state of Connecticut. And frankly, this stems back to when this bill, moving from a $0.05 deposit to a $0.10 deposit, created this problem. It's really that simple. We have individuals that are outright frauding the system. We know that because we have distributors that are paying, as the proponent mentioned, millions of dollars in excess of the deposits on the now $0.10 they're collecting. So, we have undisputed data that we have individuals frauding this system, which we had said when this original bottle bill moving the $0.05 to $0.10 occurred would occur. And we were told at that time that there was going to be measures put in place to protect us, we were going to fix these issues, and that this was going to be the fix of the bottle bill as a whole. But really all it's doing is hurting the people of the state, in my opinion, at this time. Because really what's happening is everyone here in the state of Connecticut is paying $0.10 for their bottle on whatever drink they may be having, whether it's beer, whether it's soft drinks. And we have, in my case, on the Western side of the state, individuals from New York paying $0.05 and returning the cans and bottles they have that they paid $0.05 for in New York, and then ultimately receiving $0.10 back from distributors. And so New York's benefiting because New York's eSheets, the state of government eSheets are skyrocketing because of this. The proof is in the pudding. The proof is in the details. The numbers are the numbers. mg/rr 147 And we here in Connecticut are putting the money out, our consumers are, and ultimately not receiving any of the benefit. And this started again when we moved the deposit from $0.05 to $0.10. And we said it made no sense to do this when the regional states that surrounded us were at $0.05. We predicted this would occur. And so I think it makes logical sense now to stop this from happening right now and do more than just a slight band-aid fix to what is becoming a significant wound in the problem, and return it back to what it was at $0.05. And at least wait until the states that surround us also move to $0.10, so the people of this state don't continue to get frauded. It's that simple. And so, Madam President, with that being said, the clerk is in possession of LCO number 2284. I ask the clerk to please call the amendment.

Clerklegislator

LCO number 2284, Senate Amendment "A".

The Chairlegislator

Let's just wait, Senator, till we see it. Thank you, sir. Please proceed, Senator Harding.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I move adoption of the amendment, waive the reading, and seek leave to summarize.

The Chairlegislator

Please do summarize. mg/rr 148

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. So, this amendment does exactly what I said it would do. It would simply return the $0.10 deposit number that our consumers are currently paying $0.10 on. And not for nothing. We talked about affordability all day today on our side of the aisle, in our caucus, about addressing the real emergency, which is affordability. And it doesn't sound like much, but every cent counts. We all talk about that. We all hear that from our constituents, understandably so in these difficult times, particularly here in this very unaffordable state. And for many individuals, it's difficult to find the time to return these bottles and cans, and so we're now forcing them to pay $0.10, as opposed to $0.05. So, let's reduce that cost, reduce the cost for many of our consumers to have to pay here in the state, and stop the fraud from occurring in our state immediately, and finding a more holistic solution to this issue. I think it's a common sense measure to return it back to what it was and take a broader, more holistic look at addressing this issue, which should have been done, frankly, in the first place. So, with that said, Madam President, I urge adoption of the amendment. And when the vote is taken, I ask that it be taken by roll.

The Chairlegislator

And we will indeed take the vote by roll. Senator Fazio, will you remark?

Senator Faziolegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I will remark quickly. I rise in support of this amendment. This amendment solves the problem and would keep nefarious actors from other states from taking advantage of Connecticut residents and small businesses who have mg/rr 149 to pay the price. I'll use an example. Say you have two characters from New York. Call them Newman and Kramer. In order to make a profit from delivering bottles and cans to another state, they would have to fill an entire mail truck, drive it all the way to the Midwest in Michigan in order to just barely make a profit with gas and time and everything considered. Under the current law, all they have to do is go from Port Chester to Greenwich with even a small truck full of cans, and they make an enormous profit. The only way to solve that problem is to go back to $0.05. This amendment does it. Let's keep bad New Yorkers like Newman and Kramer out of Connecticut, and pass this amendment.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Will your mark further? Senator Lopes.

Senator Lopeslegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I have seen some of the video of the people bringing the cans back, and none of them look like Newman or Kramer. And none of them are driving a mail truck. But the Minority Leader's amendment has some merits. They have been discussed during this process, and I should let it be known that we have an additional bill on this topic that is sitting in the Environment Committee, and that will be brought through the entire session. And there are quite a few ideas, this being one of them, that could be included in that bill, as we proceed through the rest of session. But for now, I think, we haven't thought through the entire gamut of returning us to $0.05 and the problems that may incur. So I would respectfully ask my colleagues to vote against this amendment. mg/rr 150

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. Senator, will you remark further? Senator Fonfara, then we'll go to Senator Harding. Senator Fonfara.

Senator Fonfaralegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Good evening, Madam President. Just quickly, I'm rising in opposition to the amendment, but not because I disagree with it, because I believe there ought to be more discussion how to more fruitfully arrive at this same location. I think the arguments for why we went down this road, or should not have gone down this road without greater involvement of our neighboring states is a very strong point that, as has been mentioned, that we are paying for other states to bring their bottles to our state, and not getting the benefit of it at all is wrong, and we need to address it. And I applaud Senator Lopes and those involved in getting us to where we are today. I think as he indicated in his remarks, this is not the panacea, but it's a step in trying to address the issue most immediately; hence, it's why it's here today. But I think the work needs to continue beyond this today to bring something before us before the session ends. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you, Senator Fonfara. Will you remark further? Will you remark further? If not, the machine is open. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

Immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the in the Senate. We're voting on Senate Amendment "A" mg/rr 151 of Senate Bill number 299. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate. Senate Amendment "A".

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted the correct way? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

We had have to laugh at that one. Total Number of Voting 36 Total Voting Yay 11 Total Voting Nay 25 Absent and Not Voting 0

The Chairlegislator

Amendment fails. Will you remark further on the bill? Senator Harding.

Senator Hardinglegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I will be voting in favor of this bill. I do wish that the amendment that I did propose passed. I think that is a better fix, and a more permanent fix, and a real solution to the problem while we look more holistically at this. But I will say that there are some measures in this, as the proponent had mentioned, that does address some of the fraud that's occurring. And for that reason, I will be voting yes. But I think we need to be reminded of the fact that this is certainly not a fix. This is just some small steps, I think, in the right direction. And I think the underlying problem is the way in which we move with the bottle bill itself, however, many years ago when we changed from $0.05 to $0.10, as I mentioned. But with that said, Madam President, I will be mg/rr 152 voting yes for the underlying bill as it does take some small steps to address the fraud. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

Thank you. All right. Will we remark further on the bill? And we'll just stand at ease briefly. Will you remark further on the bill? If not, we will vote on the bill. The machine is open. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

Immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Bill number 299, AN ACT CONCERNING REDEMPTION OF OUT-OF-STATE BEVERAGE CONTAINERS. An immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate on Senate Bill number 299. We are now voting on the bill.

The Chairlegislator

Senators, please stay in the Chamber. We will be voting on the Consent Calendar, so please do not wander.

Clerklegislator

Immediate roll call vote in the Senate.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted? Have all the senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, would you kindly announce the tally?

Clerklegislator

Total Number of Voting 36 Total Voting Yay 35 Total Voting Nay 1 mg/rr 153 Absent and Not Voting 0

The Chairlegislator

(gavel) Legislation passes. Mr. Clerk, please call the Consent Calendar. Senator Duff.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Yes, Madam President, if we can now, the clerk can read the bills on Consent Calendar or resolutions, and then followed by a vote, please.

The Chairlegislator

Yes, absolutely. Mr. Clerk.

Clerklegislator

Consent Calendar No. 1. Page 1, calendar 5, Senate Joint Resolution No. 11. Page 3, calendar 13, Senate Joint Resolution No. 19. Page 8, calendar 29, Senate Resolution 3. Immediate roll call vote has been ordered in the Senate on Consent Calendar No. 1. We're now voting on the Consent Calendar. This is Consent Calendar No. 1. Immediate roll call vote in the Senate on Consent Calendar No. 1. An immediate roll call vote in the Senate, Consent Calendar No. 1.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted? All the senators have voted on the Consent Calendar.

The Chairlegislator

Have all the senators voted? Have all the senators voted? The machine is locked. Mr. Clerk, please call the vote.

Clerklegislator

mg/rr 154 Consent Calendar No. 1. Total number voting, 36. Total voting Yea, 35. Total voting Nay, 1. Absent not voting, 0.

The Chairlegislator

(Gavel) Consent Calendar passes with one dissent. Senator.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. Madam President, I move for immediate transmittal of all items on our Consent Calendar and all emergency certified bills and any other bills that need House final approval. Thank you, Madam President.

The Chairlegislator

So ordered, off they go.

Senator Dufflegislator

Thank you, Madam President. I'd give a little yield for any points of personal privilege or announcements. Thank you, Madam President. With that, I think that concludes our business for today. I move that we adjourn, subject to the call of the Chair.

The Chairlegislator

We are adjourned. Go forth and govern. (On motion of Senator Duff of the 25th, the Senate at 6:46 p.m. adjourned subject to the call of the Chair.)

Source: CT Senate Floor Session — 2026-08-13 · August 13, 2026 · Gavelin.ai