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Ohio House Technology and Innovation Committee - 3-11-2026

March 11, 2026 · Technology and Innovation Committee · 3,027 words · 4 speakers · 29 segments

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

Good afternoon. I will now call this meeting of the House Technology and Innovation Committee to order. If you are able, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Clerkstaff

Chair Glaggett? Here. Vice Chair Workman? Here. Ranking Member Muhammad? Here. Representative Bryant Bailey is excused. Representative Cockley? Here. Representative Demetri is excused. Representative Ferguson is excused. Representative Hall? Here. Representative Holmes? Here. Representative Ty Matthews is excused. Representative

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

McLean? Representative Miller? Here. Representative White? All right with the quorum being present we will proceed as a full committee today. The committee your meeting minutes from March the 3rd are on your iPads for review. Are there any objections to the minutes as presented? All right, without objection, the minutes are approved. The chair will now bring forward House Bill 301 for its fourth hearing.

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

I would now recognize Vice Chair Workman for a motion. Thank you, Chair. I move to amend House Bill 301 with Substitute Bill L-136-1467-5.

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

Correct. All right, the motion is in order. The substitute bill is on your iPads for your review if you've not already seen it. Could the Vice Chair please explain the bill, sub-bill?

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

Yes, this substitute bill incorporates stakeholder feedback to narrow the bill to its intended application to digital electronic equipment akin to cell phones and laptops. It clarifies exemptions on agricultural equipment, vehicles, and their periphery components, periphery components, exempts print imaging devices from parts pairing provision to comply with federal law enforcement requirements, exempts equipment that could be debilitating to national security under federal law, exempts business-to-business and business-to-government transactions involving equipment not available to the general public, allows manufacturers to instead provide to the consumer equivalent or better replacement devices at no charge.

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

Very good. Are there any objections to adopting this substitute bill? Without objection, then, substitute bill L-136-1467-5 is adopted to House Bill 301. All right, this concludes the fourth hearing of House Bill 301. The chair will now bring forward House Bill 628 for its second hearing. Members, please note that there are four written testimonies on your iPads for review, but I will now recognize Laura Wilson with Fathom for proponent testimony.

Lauren Wilsonwitness

Good afternoon. Good afternoon, Chairman Claggett, Vice Chair, Workman, Reiki Member Mohamed, and members of the House Technology and Innovation Committee. Thank you for the opportunity to present my proponent testimony on House Bill 628. My name is Lauren Wilson, and I'm a senior director at Fathom. Fathom is a 501c3 nonprofit organization that is working to cultivate, build, and scale governance solutions that strengthen public trust in emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence, while also ensuring the United States remains a global leader in technological innovation. AI will be the most transformational, disruptive technology in generations. We live in a time of incredible capability, uncertainty, opportunity, risk. AI can and will be all of these things. American innovation is front and center as AI becomes incorporated into every element of our lives and our economy, and we must proactively ensure that the United States continues to lead while also working to mitigate potential harms from the technology. Fathom was created to address this challenge. We convene leaders from industry, academia, government, and civil society to develop market-friendly governance models that are technically credible, scalable, and capable of evolving alongside rapidly advancing AI models and systems. Through this work, we have developed the concept of an independent oversight marketplace, implemented through independent verification organizations, or IVOs. House Bill 628 creates the framework for IVOs in Ohio, a light-touch, voluntary system that relies on independent expert verification, market-based accountability, and outcomes-driven governance, rather than prescriptive and procedural check-the-box regulation. HB 628 implements a common-sense and market-driven approach to AI governance in two ways. One, it creates a framework for the use of independent, technically qualified assessments of AI systems licensed by the state. And two it creates meaningful incentives including certain legal protections presumptions of compliance and opportunities to cure that encourage voluntary participation AI products are now used in contexts that directly affect consumers' financial stability, access to health care, employment opportunities, insurance coverage, electricity, housing, personal privacy. When these systems make or materially influence consequential decisions, failures can result in real harm. In these circumstances, oversight that relies solely on internal company testing or case-by-case government review is unlikely to be timely enough or sufficient. Regulators cannot reasonably be expected to maintain the specialized technical capacity needed to evaluate every new model or system, and companies cannot be expected to self-certify in areas where public trust is essential. For this reason, independent verification should be a central feature of modern AI governance. Ohio has an opportunity to lead in developing and establishing this innovative and effective governance structure. By combining independent verification and incentive-based compliance, the state can create a model that protects consumers, supports continuous innovation, and can scale as AI becomes increasingly more sophisticated and widely deployed across the Ohio economy. We appreciate the committee's thoughtful and timely work on this bill. We look forward to our continued collaboration with you as it moves through the legislative process, and I welcome any questions that you have.

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

Thank you. Appreciate that. Other questions for the witness while they think for a moment? I guess my overall question on this is, does your organization or perhaps you individually think that this is the solution, a solution, one among many solutions? How do you – I understand the bill in front of us, but I want to step away from that for a second, a little bigger picture. How do you view this verification process? So last time we talked about this is kind of the, we laughed and said, well, this is the green checkmark, right, on the website. How do you view that?

Lauren Wilsonwitness

Chairman, thank you for the question. I think this is one of a number of possible solutions. AI is going to, is changing all the time. We can't predict a year from now where and how AI will be implemented in our economy. I think that's one of the beautiful elements of IVOs, right, is that you have the technological – the IVOs are able to respond quickly, have the technical capacity to address those concerns. But they won't be able to address every item. I think the IVOs can especially focus on physical harm, right? We talked about child safety, products being implemented in either health care or construction equipment where physical harm could be demonstrated or be a result, where you'd be able to demonstrate through IVOs that the harm that the mitigation put in place is lower than you would see otherwise. There will be applications where this won't be sufficient or won't be the right solution. Another reason why I think this is a great step forward is that it doesn't prevent other kinds of bills, laws, legislations either at the state level, in other states, at the federal level from going into place that would complement this measure.

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

All right. So what is the choke point? What is the – how does this – let's pretend that we wave our wand and this isn't functioning tomorrow. What does it take for the public that are using these systems and integrating with them in some way? What does it take for this system, being this voluntary, to succeed?

Lauren Wilsonwitness

There's a number of incentives, a care approach rather than an enforcement approach that would incentivize applications, developers from going the voluntary route. In the draft bill, there's a rebuttable presumption. And so for developers who are developing their technology, who are doing research here in Ohio, this would be a welcome place for them to come and do that research and that development because if they are operating in good faith and they have gone through the IBO process, that would be that sort of green check of saying we have met a heightened standard of care and that would be something in a court of law that would be very beneficial.

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

Okay, so what I didn't finish my question to say was, because I didn't want to bias you, do we need an information campaign to alert the industry, the public on some level, that this is an option for them? Because this is relatively new. How do you in other words if you have no buy if you have no adoption among the industry that seems to me that you susceptible to having another system come in and now we got two then three then four and nobody is getting going on something that is trying to do what this is doing So do you see any validity to that problem

Lauren Wilsonwitness

Yeah, great question, Chairman. I think, right, if this process is set up in Ohio, then you have what I don't think will need to do tech and big developers. I don't think will need any help knowing that this is happening. I say in jest, right, they're all very closely monitoring any types of legislation happening around the country that deal with AI. Why I think this can be successful is if you have, I think the most obvious probably use cases are business to business. So you have an education department who wants to be able to bring AI and have their K-12 students utilizing the application. That public school system may not be comfortable utilizing an AI application that doesn't have that IVO checkmark, right? So it's going to incentivize developers who want to be able to partner and want to have a contract with the public education department to go through the IVO process. Same with health care, right? So you can imagine these sort of high-risk, vulnerable, you're dealing with a lot of either potential personal harm or sensitive personal information, vulnerable populations, that this process of being certified and demonstrating your risk mitigation and having those verified by a third party would be incredibly beneficial to those entities who want to partner with some of these institutions, where for now those are the folks who hold the back, right? If I'm a healthcare system, I'm a hospital, everyone else is using AI. I want to be using AI too, right? It shows a ton of efficiencies.

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

Yeah, okay. But let's – yeah, that's right. But let's take you back 40 years, and I'm not sure of the exact number, but let's say 40 years, and you're Maytag, and you want to – say your washer and dryer are the best. And so you're going to play very nice to consumers' report because they kind of became the gold standard at the time because they're independent. And I think you're saying that this would be semi-independent of the industry.

Lauren Wilsonwitness

That's right. Right? It should be completely independent.

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

All right. So what I'm concerned about is, again, multiple rabbit trails. We have no system that actually works. So I'm concerned about is there a profit motive for some company to come up with a better system and have their own thing? or some way in which this gets hijacked for any number of those motivations. Because Consumer Reports, they had to – remember, if you remember, you couldn't advertise in their magazine, right? There were certain things they set up to do that, and I'm trying to apply that logic to what we're trying to say. This is relatively new. How do we make this successful? If you think this is the best, how do we make this successful?

Lauren Wilsonwitness

Chairman, I love that example. and I think another very similar example of sort of a private entity doing verification of an incredibly technical capacity is Underwriters Laboratory, right, I think we mentioned this one. I met with a few of you last week, right, that every light bulb in this room has the UL stamp on it. Every light bulb in this building, in your home, has the UL stamp on it. That is a private entity that the government respects from their technical capacity to be able to evaluate the safety of light bulbs. Very similar approach here. Right now, this process as it's proposed of being independent from private industry, right now all of the safety assurance that's happening at the moment is happening at the labs. And I'm very glad they're doing it. They have a lot of very smart folks who are doing a ton of this work, but they're doing it inside the companies. And so anything we can do, I think it is a benefit to society and to labs and to government to be able to say, let's separate out from the profitability motive of the labs doing well, create a market where you're creating an ability for companies to grow and thrive from developing technology that verifies that what the labs are developing is safe.

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

Vice Chair Workman.

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

Thank you, Chair. Thank you so much for coming in. And we had some time in my office earlier as well, so I appreciate that. So I think the great debate that we have before us is the opportunity here to unleash our potential using these technologies and also to make sure that we have the right parameters in place to secure those things that we feel most valuable, right? Privacy, security, infrastructure, things of the sort. So do you feel that incentivizing is enough incentivizing to get that green checkmark or is it something we should move toward compliance or making sure that we have complete authority in the process and that it locked down and secure and AI is safe for all Or would that create a chilling effect? And then I have a second question after that.

Lauren Wilsonwitness

Okay. Chairman, representative, great question. The voluntary nature and the incentive driven, in our view, is the most appropriate given the current state of affairs. One, I think that we are creating a market here, right? There are entities that do exist who are doing these third-party evaluations now. The labs often bring in third-party assessors when they deem it valuable or necessary. But this ecosystem is still nascent. And so I think that is a critical component of ensuring that this is voluntary and incentive-based. And two, I do believe that the incentive-driven nature should be sufficient to compel developers to want to seek out that green checkmark to show that they're reaching a heightened standard of care. I think alternatively, for the sort of small developers who evaluate or make an assessment that whatever risk they may be exposing themselves to is very minimal, they have a small use case, it's intended for one specific use that doesn't garner a ton of risk, they should have the capability to not go through the IVO process.

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

Follow-up, Chair? Thank you. So I guess my second question is, what are you seeing in other states across the country? Is this being adopted in other states as well?

Lauren Wilsonwitness

Chairman, Representative, Fathom is two years old. AI is also very new, right? And I think states and the federal government are grappling with how do we harness this incredible innovation? How do we protect our constituents? It's a really challenging question, right? And you've seen folks go in a lot of different directions across the states. We have, there are bills that are introduced in a couple of states very similar to this. As I shared with you all last week, Ohio is our priority. We think it represents both the industries where AI is going to be taken up and where there's going to be both risk and reward. And so they stand to benefit from having this process in place. And a market-friendly environment where something like this would be feasible.

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

thank you chairman and it's good to see you i had the pleasure of meeting with fathom including lauren last week and given the chair's interest of education i was hoping that maybe you could share the video with the committee because it is so educational and that i think will help people to grasp the bill a little bit better as well absolutely um we had inquired about showing

Lauren Wilsonwitness

at today's committee and weren't able to do that. Sorry, Chair, Representative. But we can make sure that everybody has the link to the video. It's two and a half minutes. I think it's a very helpful explainer when this is a tricky concept. That's good. We heard about it, but I didn't see it.

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

So if you could get it to Sam, then we'll get it distributed. Thank you. Thanks for bringing that up. That's really helpful.

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

Yeah, that's good. Yeah, a big component of this, the committee, is the education piece, and we appreciate people who help us online. Okay. All right. I think that takes care of this testimony, so thank you very much. I appreciate you coming.

Vice Chair Workmanlegislator

Thank you. Very helpful. Thank you, Chair.

Thaddeus Claggettlegislator

All right. I think that wherever I am. Yes, yeah, I think I mentioned that. We have several written on your iPad there for you to look at as well. All right. This concludes in the second hearing for House Bill 628. Sharon, I'll bring forward House Bill 665 for a second hearing. Members, please know that there is a written testimony on your iPad. I don't believe we have anybody here to testify for the bill. All right. All right, this concludes the second hearing for House Bill 628. And see, yes, what did I say it wrong? second hearing for 628 oh that's why I said it wrong somebody wrote it wrong that was not me I said it wrong though alright second hearing for house bill 665 thank you for catching your own mistake that was fantastic let's have some fun it's hot in here seeing no other business this concludes the house technology innovation committee we are adjourned

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